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kdude 11-14-2005 03:38 PM

8 million people and five million scooters....
 
I'm hooked ! I just got back from Vietnam. Everyone rides scooters and the chicks where high heels even riding :D

I'm in the mood to buy a scooter , can you guys tell me which scooter you bought and why you decided to buy that particular bike ?

I'm looking at the Rukus and the Vino, but all options are open.

I need a bike that is reliable ! That is job 1.

Any suggestions ?

thx,

Hp...

Photog 11-14-2005 06:47 PM

I started with a Vento Zip R3i to see if I'd like scootering.

http://motophoto.smugmug.com/photos/20808289-M.jpg

About $1200 new.

I fell in love with it--it was MUCH more fun than I thought I'd have with a 50cc bike. About a 37mph cruise, 43mph top end, 75-80mpg, stone-reliable, and great brakes. I wouldn't hestitate to buy another Vento.

We ended up buying 2 more scoots: a nice Kymco Super9 and a Stella.

Either one is great as practical everyday transportation where I live.

My Stella with a Pinasco 177 kit, Jim Lomas/SIP expansion chamber, and Dellorto 24G carb will cruise at 55-60, with a top end somewhere just north of 70, and will accelerate briskly getting there. Plus I can easily pull from a stop in 2nd, and from a rolling stop in 3rd. It will idle around town in 3rd like it's an automatic.

I got the Stella because of the history and aesthetics of a Vespa PX 2 stroke 150 with manual transmission. It's extremely durable and suited to hard everyday use as a commuter, but it also works well for scooter touring. Parts are cheap and plentiful, and making it go faster is easy and cheap.

About $3000 new; $1900-$2500 used.

http://motophoto.smugmug.com/photos/38414010-M.jpg

The Kymco Super 9 is a solid bike that handles great, and is a great race platform. It's not a cheap scooter, but Kymco puts a 2 year warranty on it, and it's built more like a motorcycle than a scooter--great lighting, stiff chassis, nice tires, excellent fit-and-finish throughout, dual disc brakes, liquid cooled, full instrumentation, and plenty of hi performance upgrades available.

About $2600-$2800 new.

http://motophoto.smugmug.com/photos/24000101-M.jpg

http://motophoto.smugmug.com/photos/24000126-M.jpg

Adding a scooter (or two) to the motorcycle stable has been a great decision. They're cheap to own and operate, and much MUCH more fun than I ever anticipated they'd be. I can either cruise around at a relaxed pace and just enjoy the scenery that used to be blurred, or go drag the centerstand in tight turns.

Joe Dirt 11-15-2005 05:13 AM

Photog has done a great job of hitting on the different sub-catagory of scooters. I went with a Yamaha Zuma which is a 50cc 2-stroke. I've posted ad naseum about my driveline tuning which probably makes it sound like all I do is tinker with the thing. The reality is that it is very easy to work on and my tinkering doesn't preclude actual riding. I live in a hilly area and choosing a 2-stroke probably wasn't the best call. But I love 2-strokes and that was that. So I'm still tinkering toward perfection but in all honesty if it never got anymore "perfect" I'd still be happy with the scooter. I've had so much fun!

My buddy bought a Vespa ET4 at the same time I bought my Zuma and if I'd known how much I would enjoy scootering I would have spent the extra money on one. While getting max performance out of small displacement is nearly an obsession for me there is something to be said for purchasing an easier path to ones goals.

donsolo 11-15-2005 07:12 AM

I got my Riva for a couple reasons

Under 1k

4 stroke reliability (I always seem to foul plugs on a 2 and for a put put I don't want to worry)

Didn't have to assemble it, it was used. (IIRC, the vento has to be put together...)

RED!!!!

CVT twist n go tranny. (I drive a stick car, though)

My dad won't let me steal his 1200cc Sporty, though I'm pretty sure the Riva's more fun.

kdude 11-15-2005 11:38 AM

Thx for the info. I never thought I'd add a scooter to the stable but when I rode scoots to beat the dreaded traffic in Saigon and Hanoi I was sold. I know my 1200 GS would have had a miserable time trying to negotiate the worst traffic I've ever seen anywhere in the world including India.

Which one is your fav. of the three ?
hp

kdude 11-15-2005 11:40 AM

I also live on a mountain and the hills are quite steep. I hope a 50cc can cut it. Have you had any issues with the Zuma ? The Vespa ET4 four also sounds good.

Joe Dirt 11-15-2005 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdude
I also live on a mountain and the hills are quite steep. I hope a 50cc can cut it. Have you had any issues with the Zuma ? The Vespa ET4 four also sounds good.

No issues per se but I just think 4-strokes are better suited for the hills. My 2-stroke will certainly do it but small displacement 2-strokes are an exercise in comprimise. I think 4-strokes with twice the displacement do a better as all-arounder's.

I've chronicalled my Zuma tuning on this forum if you care to read through it all.

kdude 11-15-2005 06:25 PM

Yup... going to see what you did to the Zuma... and i'll prolly take that advice and look at the four stroke scoots. As a matter of fact i'm going to look at the Vestpa line of scooters tomorrow. I really try and stay away from Italian cause I cherish reliability and easy to get parts... but I guess we'll see tomorrow if I change my mind.. later hp


Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Dirt
No issues per se but I just think 4-strokes are better suited for the hills. My 2-stroke will certainly do it but small displacement 2-strokes are an exercise in comprimise. I think 4-strokes with twice the displacement do a better as all-arounder's.

I've chronicalled my Zuma tuning on this forum if you care to read through it all.


donsolo 11-16-2005 03:04 AM

hills ha!

that dude in the 70s used to push his moped up hills when they got too steep.

how about discussing mods that'll give a 2 stroke extra torque rather than top end?

might be of some help here

kdude 11-16-2005 04:55 AM

Good thing you mentioned that ! I forgot what it was like riding an underpowered moped back in the early 70's.... looks like the four strokola is the way to go. I have all winter to think about this purchase... looking at ways to get more torque should be interesting.... funny how I'm not thinking about riding my GS but lusting for a scoot.... who would ever have thought !



Quote:

Originally Posted by donsolo
hills ha!

that dude in the 70s used to push his moped up hills when they got too steep.

how about discussing mods that'll give a 2 stroke extra torque rather than top end?

might be of some help here


Joe Dirt 11-16-2005 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donsolo
hills ha!

that dude in the 70s used to push his moped up hills when they got too steep.

how about discussing mods that'll give a 2 stroke extra torque rather than top end?

might be of some help here

Torque and 2-strokes!? :huh

I think the best you can do is bunch the available power of a 2-stroke, through various means, to get a narrow powerband of maximum power. You'll never get a flat 4-stroke torque curve. Of course bunching power is a comprimise toward overall "streetability" or the quality of having a good setup for a variety of conditions. Sometimes you can only improve a weakness but you can't overcome it.

Don't take this as a condemnation of 2-strokes because this ignores the fact that a comparable performing 4-stroke will have twice the displacement. As any hotrodder will tell you there is no substitute for displacement. ;) IMHO, scooter prices are oriented toward displacement so you're looking at more money for a comparable performing 4-stroke. And deisels just don't have the zip of 2-strokes! But putting that aside, if you need low end grunt then I'd look toward the 4-strokes.

nomiles 11-17-2005 08:48 AM

Saigon scooter survival video ~~~~>

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99266

kdude 11-18-2005 04:52 PM

Yepp... that exactly what it is like riding in Saigon. I'm willing to wager a bet that the girls who rider there have better balance and riding ability than most of the guys on this site..... :rofl



Quote:

Originally Posted by nomiles
Saigon scooter survival video ~~~~>

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99266



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