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Wadester 03-14-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brton161 (Post 18214061)
Bought my '12 Giant Reign 2 in Dec from my LBS. I LOVE the bike, aside from the brakes.
(Avid Elixir 1)

They howl like crazy and feel like im dragging pebbles between the pads and rotors. Also, if I don't use them for a few minutes, I have to pull them almost back to the handlebar or 'pump' them to get them to apply power at a reasonable pull from fully out. On top of that, they just don't work very well to stop my fat ass.

I've looked around the internet looks like I will be rebedding the pads, sand papering the pads down a bit and rotors and cleaning with brake fluid. Also, going to zip tie a piece of rubber grip to a rotor spoke to try to stop vibration, and if it still is howling, I'll try new pads. Seems like this is a little crazy though, with a 3 month old bike I've taken on 10-15 rides. Also, never used any chemicals to clean the bike, just water-I highly doubt pads are contaminated.

Should I be looking to upgrade these soon? I want to have faith in my brakes and ride some lift served stuff with confidence. Guess I'm trying to feel out if my brakes need some work to be right or are just a low point on this otherwise kick ass bike that should be upgraded.

First, don't clean anything with brake fluid - it's either mineral oil or a glycol based stuff that is NOT residue free. Isopropyl alcohol is a good choice (rubbing alcohol works - it's IPA with water added).

The rotor - that's what should be sanded. Get some medium grit paper, put it on a flat surface and use a random motion on the rotor. Doesn't take long. Also, you can see what patterns have built up by during the sanding process.

Once you've got things "fresh" - bed the system. This means hard, full power stops. And even after that, if they start to warble during light braking - go to full stop. Don't let them sing - it builds up and self-reinforces.

Tallbastid 03-14-2012 10:43 AM

Thanks! Didn't realize it was important to bed the pads in. Maybe this is why they howl to begin with, I didn't do this when they were new. I'll try that when I get some time tonight. Will let you know how it works out. Thanks again!

**EDIT** I didn't mean brake fluid, I meant bake cleaner. Sorry for the typo. I will be using IPA anyways though, I think it would be worth the couple bucks to try the best.

Chisenhallw 03-14-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Askel (Post 18214012)
Man, I was totally bombing this sweet line today and some spandex clad XC dork wouldn't get out of my way! :lol3

Ok, that's funny.

rob feature 03-14-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Askel (Post 18214012)
Man, I was totally bombing this sweet line today and some spandex clad XC dork wouldn't get out of my way! :lol3

:rofl

Whoever made up that rule about uphill riders having the right of way anyhoo? Sounds like horse people logic.

surly357 03-14-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brton161 (Post 18214061)
Bought my '12 Giant Reign 2 in Dec from my LBS. I LOVE the bike, aside from the brakes.
(Avid Elixir 1).........or are just a low point on this otherwise kick ass bike that should be upgraded.

Yes.

Upgrade.

While many Avid brakes are at least adequate, IMHO Elixer 1s are basicallly a way to put 'hydraulic' on a spec sheet at a 'cable actuated' price point.

Think Shimano SLX.

From setup to maintenance they're so nice bike mechanics don't even bitch about them.

Gummee! 03-15-2012 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurelius (Post 18213986)
I've noticed that people on paved bicycles trails do all sorts of things they wouldn't dream of doing on the road, like passing in blind turns, being in the wrong (oncoming) lane, and traveling several abreast so that no one can get by them. :boid

That's one of the biggest reasons that I stay away from MUTs. Seems people get 'away from the danger' and turn their brains off. I'll ride with the cars, thanks. At least they're somewhat predictable.

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I'm sure mountain bikers have their share of twits as well, but so far I've been fortunate to have been out there with the smarter ones. They not only announce their presence to any approaching rider before entering a blind turn, but will even warn you that there are other riders behind them. And they seem perfectly happy to pull over to the side to allow others to pass - a total reversal of what I'm used to on Florida's roads.
That goes back to the very beginning of mtn biking. We were so new that being 'good trail neighbors' was required. People didn't know what to make of these new-fangled bikes that could go off-road... Still pays to be nice off-road. After all, pissed off hikers and horsefuckers = closed trails. :nod

As for me: I didn't manage to go 4hrs, but I DID go 2:45 or so. The last hour was harder than I'd planned, but it was the first Wed nite ride with the Culpeper group. Probably one of my last. Ended up 3 of us, then 2, then spread all over the roads back to the start. The first 3 of us waited for the second two, and rode in at a slower pace.

So I know that there's different fitness levels and all, but it really irks me when people are in the line that's pulling at 26kph and they get to the front and the speed drops 4kph. :baldy WTF?! If you can't pull at the speed the group's doing PULL THE FUCK OFF THE FRONT! Rotate thru and let someone that CAN do the speed keep it up.

So I think this next Wed will be the last Wed ride I do till my next easy week when I don't want/need to get in a workout. Luckily, the local hammers hang out near here on Wed. :clap I'm gonna get my rear end handed to me, but that will just make me faster. :nod

M

Gummee! 03-15-2012 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rob feature (Post 18219118)
:rofl

Whoever made up that rule about uphill riders having the right of way anyhoo? Sounds like horse people logic.

I know when I saw someone coming downhill at me, I'd always pull off and let em have at it. Its easier for me to get going again than it is for them to stop!

M

Aurelius 03-15-2012 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gummee! (Post 18221280)
That's one of the biggest reasons that I stay away from MUTs. Seems people get 'away from the danger' and turn their brains off. I'll ride with the cars, thanks. At least they're somewhat predictable.

Not here, they're not. Unless of course the prediction is that they'll behave in unpredictable ways. :D

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That goes back to the very beginning of mtn biking. We were so new that being 'good trail neighbors' was required. People didn't know what to make of these new-fangled bikes that could go off-road... Still pays to be nice off-road. After all, pissed off hikers and horsefuckers = closed trails. :nod

As for me: I didn't manage to go 4hrs, but I DID go 2:45 or so. The last hour was harder than I'd planned, but it was the first Wed nite ride with the Culpeper group. Probably one of my last. Ended up 3 of us, then 2, then spread all over the roads back to the start. The first 3 of us waited for the second two, and rode in at a slower pace.

So I know that there's different fitness levels and all, but it really irks me when people are in the line that's pulling at 26kph and they get to the front and the speed drops 4kph. :baldy WTF?! If you can't pull at the speed the group's doing PULL THE FUCK OFF THE FRONT! Rotate thru and let someone that CAN do the speed keep it up.
:poser That is SO like the way people drive around here. They'll be doing 55mph in the middle lane, then veer into the fast lane (without signaling, of course) and immediately slow down! Are you sure those guys you were riding with were locals? I'll bet they had Florida plates on their cars.

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So I think this next Wed will be the last Wed ride I do till my next easy week when I don't want/need to get in a workout. Luckily, the local hammers hang out near here on Wed. :clap I'm gonna get my rear end handed to me, but that will just make me faster. :nod
I discovered something cool while surfing YouTube: Criterium racing. It seems to be popular here in Florida, and short, high speed races suit my temperament much better than long drawn out marathons. I've already been practicing. Now all I need to do to win is maintain 35mph for more than ten seconds. :lol3

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Tallbastid 03-15-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by surly357 (Post 18219988)
Yes.

Upgrade.

While many Avid brakes are at least adequate, IMHO Elixer 1s are basicallly a way to put 'hydraulic' on a spec sheet at a 'cable actuated' price point.

Think Shimano SLX.

From setup to maintenance they're so nice bike mechanics don't even bitch about them.

I kinda figured this. I'll try working my elixirs first, then upgrade most likely. At the price I paid, something on the bike had to be sacrificed besides the pedals, bars, stem and seat.

Gummee! 03-15-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurelius (Post 18221619)
Not here, they're not. Unless of course the prediction is that they'll behave in unpredictable ways. :D

Cars can't stop right in front of you, then do a 180deg turn, and head back at you all without looking up.

Cars can't dart across your path chasing a ball.

Cars can't (well, sorta) swerve voilently out of control where the second before they were riding in a more or less straight line.

Typically, you'll get *some* sort of warning of impending doom from a car. Ride in traffic enough and you sorta have this 6th sense about who's about to do what.

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discovered something cool while surfing YouTube: Criterium racing. It seems to be popular here in Florida, and short, high speed races suit my temperament much better than long drawn out marathons. I've already been practicing. Now all I need to do to win is maintain 35mph for more than ten seconds. :lol3
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</object>You like crits and I'll almost guarantee you'll like the velodrome.

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mud 03-15-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brton161 (Post 18224129)
I kinda figured this. I'll try working my elixirs first, then upgrade most likely.

Make sure they are bled properly. It is not difficult, but some shops short cut it.

Here is the right way:

PB Elixer bleed

surly357 03-15-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brton161 (Post 18224129)
I kinda figured this. I'll try working my elixirs first, then upgrade most likely. At the price I paid, something on the bike had to be sacrificed besides the pedals, bars, stem and seat.


Good man.

I like to see somebody who understands reality. :D

I think moto folks 'get' the whole upgrade thing more than most bicycle buyers, who often seem incapable of grasping the implications of price points....

Aurelius 03-16-2012 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gummee! (Post 18225668)
You like crits and I'll almost guarantee you'll like the velodrome.

M

Velodrome racing is too removed from reality to appeal to me. You have a 'bicycle' with only one gear and no brakes, traveling in circles around a banked indoor track. I prefer real road bikes being raced on real roads (or mountain bikes on actual trails). :thumb

Gummee! 03-16-2012 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurelius (Post 18229431)
Velodrome racing is too removed from reality to appeal to me. You have a 'bicycle' with only one gear and no brakes, traveling in circles around a banked indoor track. I prefer real road bikes being raced on real roads (or mountain bikes on actual trails). :thumb

Have you tried it?

Its basically the entire essence of crits boiled down into several short races. Nice thing is if X tactic doesn't work out this race, try Y tactic next time.

Makes you a MUCH stronger rider and racer.

Quickly

AMHIK

M

melville 03-16-2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gummee! (Post 18229617)
Have you tried it?

Its basically the entire essence of crits boiled down into several short races. Nice thing is if X tactic doesn't work out this race, try Y tactic next time.

Makes you a MUCH stronger rider and racer.

Quickly

AMHIK

M

Yeah, you get so many extra chances to make the exact same mistakes in one evening. "Hey! They're calling my group for the next race! Hold my beer!"

Crashing on the track is also a lot better than crashing on the road--the surface is cleaner, EMTs are 100 meters away, and a sympathetic official can whistle the race neutral while your friends find another pair of wheels for you.

AND, unlike the road, you get to perform in front of a paying, sometimes rowdy, crowd.

I'm 350-400 miles away from a track these days, but if'n I hit the lottery I'm building a track right here.


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