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trailer Rails 05-09-2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syntec4
My bike is ~ 19lb. The 'modern' mountain bikes are all around 25lb plus. Admittedly most now have front suspension or full suspension which must be nice. I was looking at brands such as Trek, Specialized and Cannondale. The only bikes that I saw that compared in weight were 'Hybrids' but the wheels dont look strong enough for my fat arse.

19lbs! Not doubting you but you might want to double check that. That is getting close to carbon fiber road bike territory.

If you are happy with the way your bike works and it fits well and does not cause you any pain, there is no reason you need a new bike. Quit looking.

Judging by the tires and the way your bike is setup you are doing mostly road or rail trails, you should look at a cyclocross bike or a Trek 7.3, 7.5 or 7.6 FX. Their wheels will be plenty strong to hold you (If you really want a new bike).

Gummee! 05-09-2010 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syntec4
My bike is ~ 19lb. The 'modern' mountain bikes are all around 25lb plus. Admittedly most now have front suspension or full suspension which must be nice. I was looking at brands such as Trek, Specialized and Cannondale. The only bikes that I saw that compared in weight were 'Hybrids' but the wheels dont look strong enough for my fat arse.

You needta go check yer math. I've had steel road bikes from that era that weighed in at 22-ish lbs. My mtn bike from that vintage was 27# without a fork and 30-ish # with one.

My new Sette (AL) bike is somewhere just over 20# built with nothing special. XTR and a 'Zoke fork. Frame cost me about $80, so...

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trailer Rails 05-09-2010 03:46 PM

I got a new ride the other day. Put the first miles on it today. It is my first big wheel bike. I am not convinced. It does feel faster up hills but I ride up hills to get to the down hills. The down hills were a bit more sketchy than on my 26er.
It is a very smooth bike and moves a long great. I might put some bigger rubber on there.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/55f492b4.jpg

yater 05-09-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by syntec4
My bike is ~ 19lb. The 'modern' mountain bikes are all around 25lb plus. Admittedly most now have front suspension or full suspension which must be nice. I was looking at brands such as Trek, Specialized and Cannondale..

Nope. My race bike (geared mountain bike) was NOT cheap (think ~$8k USD) and weighs 22lbs. I have 2 bikes @<19lbs. One is a titanium framed single speed mountain bike, and the other is my road bike.

Post pics of this "19lb" bike, please. I can tell you how much each component weighs, and give you a more accurate weight.

pierce 05-09-2010 05:32 PM

mission accomplished! brazing work completed on said cruiser bike.

not making any excuses for the paint, we just slapped some rustoleum rattlecan 'sunset red' over the bare metal so it wouldn't rust. I can't believe how close a match it is to the original powder coat job I had done at Santa Cruz Powder Coating (aka Santa Cruz Bicycles)...

When I've got more time, I might do some sanding and repaint it a little nicer. *but its just a utility bike, its supposed to look a little trashy :deal

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5775.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5778.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5779.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5782.JPG

trailer Rails 05-09-2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yater
Nope. My race bike (geared mountain bike) was NOT cheap (think ~$8k USD) and weighs 22lbs. I have 2 bikes @<19lbs. One is a titanium framed single speed mountain bike, and the other is my road bike.

Post pics of this "19lb" bike, please. I can tell you how much each component weighs, and give you a more accurate weight.

The pics of the "19lb" bike are at the top of the page. Look for the green dimond back ascent.

trailer Rails 05-09-2010 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pierce
mission accomplished! brazing work completed on said cruiser bike.

not making any excuses for the paint, we just slapped some rustoleum rattlecan 'sunset red' over the bare metal so it wouldn't rust. I can't believe how close a match it is to the original powder coat job I had done at Santa Cruz Powder Coating (aka Santa Cruz Bicycles)...

When I've got more time, I might do some sanding and repaint it a little nicer. *but its just a utility bike, its supposed to look a little trashy :deal

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5775.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5778.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5779.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JS1yca5KB-0/S-...0/IMG_5782.JPG

:clap:clap:clap

You need to braze some housing guides on there too.

pierce 05-09-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by trailer Rails
:clap:clap:clap

You need to braze some housing guides on there too.

what, you don't like my long cables and tiewraps? awwwwww.

pierce 05-09-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by trailer Rails
The pics of the "19lb" bike are at the top of the page. Look for the green dimond back ascent.

my all reynolds 531 double butted all campi roadie with criterium silk sewups on superchampion blue label rims barely weighed 19 lbs completely stripped. I seriously doubt any 26" bike with knobbies could be that light, unless you're using 26x1 slicks and non-butyl inner tubes.

Oznerol 05-09-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trailer Rails
I got a new ride the other day. Put the first miles on it today. It is my first big wheel bike. I am not convinced. It does feel faster up hills but I ride up hills to get to the down hills. The down hills were a bit more sketchy than on my 26er.

Out of curiosity, what's the 26er that you're comparing it to?

What made you pick the Epic? It sounds like you're more interested in having fun going downhill than being fast going up. Given that, the Epic seems like an odd choice -- it's a lightweight XC race bike with a steep head angle, and not much suspension travel. It's designed to be efficient going uphill rather than stable and composed going down. I'm not a big 29er fan, but I'm not sure that it's only the wheel size that's responsible for the sketchiness you're sensing.

Gummee! 05-09-2010 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oznerol
Out of curiosity, what's the 26er that you're comparing it to?

What made you pick the Epic? It sounds like you're more interested in having fun going downhill than being fast going up. Given that, the Epic seems like an odd choice -- it's a lightweight XC race bike with a steep head angle, and not much suspension travel. It's designed to be efficient going uphill rather than stable and composed going down. I'm not a big 29er fan, but I'm not sure that it's only the wheel size that's responsible for the sketchiness you're sensing.

He should just send it to me for testing. :nod

:ricky

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TEXASYETI 05-09-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pierce
my all reynolds 531 double butted all campi roadie with criterium silk sewups on superchampion blue label rims barely weighed 19 lbs completely stripped. I seriously doubt any 26" bike with knobbies could be that light, unless you're using 26x1 slicks and non-butyl inner tubes.

In the mid nineties we build a specialized epic ultimate for one of the girls in our shop. Total no holds barred build. Carbon frame with ti lugs, ti / carbon rock shox, TNT everything, all fasteners were ti, mavic 240 rims, etc., etc.

With the lightest ritchey WCS tires and butyl tubes we got it to under 18.5 lbs. You want to talk about an eye grabber!

My 95 Yeti ARC wieghs in at 24.5 but it is a 20" frame wth first gen XTR. Wheels are heavy too but I am a bit of a fatty at 200lbs.

What are you riding Yater? Pics of the race rig?

Gummee! 05-09-2010 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEXASYETI
In the mid nineties we build a specialized epic ultimate for one of the girls in our shop. Total no holds barred build. Carbon frame with ti lugs, ti / carbon rock shox, TNT everything, all fasteners were ti, mavic 240 rims, etc., etc.

With the lightest ritchey WCS tires and butyl tubes we got it to under 18.5 lbs. You want to talk about an eye grabber!

My 95 Yeti ARC wieghs in at 24.5 but it is a 20" frame wth first gen XTR. Wheels are heavy too but I am a bit of a fatty at 200lbs.

What are you riding Yater? Pics of the race rig?

I had one of those S-Works carbon mtn bikes. One of my favoritest riding bikes of all times. :nod I don't think mine had the Ti lugs tho. :nah It looked black till you got it in the sun then it turned a deep, metallic purple. :tb I ran a Mag 21 for eons past its 'real' lifespan AFA suspension technology. :nod 'Course, coming from my first suspension fork, a Manitou 2, it was light years better! :D

IIRC Yater's last race bike (as seen somewhere earlier in this thread) was an Anthem. I'm debating between that Giant platform and the S-Works platform for my next mtn bike. :nod

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Range Motorsport 05-09-2010 08:58 PM

I can assure you that a Diamondback Ascent from 1992 didn't weigh anywhere close to 19lbs. I had a 19lb race bike once it was a 1997 Trek 8000 frame with Rolf Propel race wheels, 20grams lighter per wheel than the factory Propels, Real Design brake levers and cassette, Scott bars, race lite seatpost, Mars Elite fork, and the lightest semi knobby tires I could find. It was fast and light and I was competitive on it but it beat the living shit out of you on bumpy trails.

That ascent probably weighs about 27lbs. All steel frame and fork with steel bead tires and fenders isn't a lightweight.

pierce 05-09-2010 11:45 PM

does anyone have a rough idea when threadless headsets became common on low-to-midrange mountain bikes, such as a GT Rebound (cro-moly steel hardtail frame, early rockshox fork). I'm guessing mid 90s ?


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