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YakSpout 05-26-2010 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducnut
From bicycling.com

On the Izalco

And another

RBA on the culebro

RBA on the Izalco

I don't know anything about them, other than they're new to the US, German, and expensive.

Thanks. I'll dig through the links.

SaltWindandFire 05-26-2010 05:54 PM

Bike selection/sizing Q
 
I should have checked in with this thread before I did this but last year, I had some extra cash, and I picked this up:
http://saltwindandfire.smugmug.com/p...80_UUxHW-M.jpg
I hate it. It's twitchy, I feel like I'm always one curb away from a pinch flat, and the seat is absolutely killing my rather generous (6'4" 265) ass. I see pictures of bikes like this:
http://saltwindandfire.smugmug.com/p...20_iVjd2-M.jpg
...and I can't help wonder if maybe I need to sell the Giant and try something else. I know I'm a big guy, but I really like riding a bike, and if I had something I could jump curbs with and beat up a little I'm sure I would ride much more than I do. Can anyone give me a little advice? Sell the Giant (for some reason I found it really sexy and liked the idea of a carbon frame, flat bar, road wheels type bike) and buy something else? Go back to the shop and have the ergos looked at? I don't have the $ this year that I did last year, btw, but I do miss riding. Thanks.

Askel 05-26-2010 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
Can anyone give me a little advice?


It all depends on where you want to ride and who you want to ride with.

Being able to hop curbs on a comfy bike doesn't really require anything fancy. :dunno

Cat0020 05-26-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
I hate it. It's twitchy, I feel like I'm always one curb away from a pinch flat, and the seat is absolutely killing my rather generous (6'4" 265) ass..

Is the actual stem on your bike as short as pictured? that could be the main contributing factor to the twitchyness. Get a longer stem and some riser handlebar, that may require to run new/longer cables. Get some wider tires, that would reduce pinch flat likelyhood.
If that doesn't improve things, try going to a fork with a longer rake/trail.. may have to have a custom steel fork made.. 47mm or even 50mm, cost should be under $200.

ducnut 05-26-2010 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
. Can anyone give me a little advice? Sell the Giant and buy something else?

Unfortunately, you're going lose your tailend trying to unload it; maybe 50 cents on the dollar. So, that's about $850. Will the same dealer help you out and take it in on trade?

Salsa is a QBP-owned company and any shop can get one for you.

The Giant FCR is basically a flat-bar road bike. Unfortunately, Giant doesn't list complete specs on their site and I no longer have an '09 catalog. So, I don't know the rake and trail numbers, but, the headtube angle and chainstay length are nearly identical to the Defy (drop-bar version of your bike). I'm not sure a stem will cure the twitchiness, as the bike may have a short trail number. The twitchiness may be something you have to get used to (guessing you've never owned a true road bike).

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
Go back to the shop and have the ergos looked at?

This is a flat-bar bike. It positions the rider more upright, which puts the majority of your weight onto your butt. If you were more leaned forward, that would transfer more weight onto your hands; balancing your weight. Adding a longer stem would shift you more forward and could potentially slow the steering and twitchiness. Your LBS should have a stem selection, or old takeoffs, that you can experiment with. Think about your weight spread over an upside-down triangle (bars, saddle, and pedals) and trying to balance it out to your feeling/tolerance.

The FCR doesn't come with a saddle that accommodates larger or heavier people. It's a fairly lightweight plastic piece that has easily compressed foam padding. I'd recommend looking at a Brooks B17 saddle [found here (< 6 month return policy) or here]. It's the widest seat they offer and made of leather. The leather conforms to your butt, as it stretches at your contact points. This is a saddle that, properly cared for, will last your lifetime. You take this seat with you to your next bike.

If I were your bike shop, I wouldn't have sold this bike to you, to begin with. Your weight needs to be considered, first. 25mm tires, lightweight road wheels with low spoke counts, and a AL/carbon frame are not in your favor. Most road bikes are designed for under-200lb riders. Therefore, the frames are built as light as possible to that target weight. You'll have to have something custom-built, if you want a trick road bike.

I think the Fargo will be a much better fit. It's a pretty HD piece of machinery, designed to carry weight. It won't be as fast and efficient as your FCR, but, that's the tradeoff to have something durable. Notice, too, that it has an upright seating position. So, you'll probably be facing the same scenario with saddle selection. Again, the Brooks would be a nice addition.

Lastly, don't be afraid to move stuff around to achieve your optimum fit; the shop's fit is just a starting point. Record initial measurements of where the shop positions things. If something doesn't feel right, start moving one thing at a time, in small increments. Pay attention to what your body is telling you at various pressure points. Then, think about which adjustment would alter the feeling at that point. Fit is pretty easy, when it's looked at like that. Here's some additional reading on the topic.

Forgot to ask: Are you wearing chamois-equipped, cycling shorts? Have you considered the Salsa Vaya or the Rocky Mountain Sherpa? Both, can accept fatter tires, but, not MTB fat.

Like you, "Askel" is a beast of man (< stated in absolute awe). He'll be able to offer further help on Clydesdale equipment.

trailer Rails 05-27-2010 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducnut

Salsa is a QBP-owned company and any shop can get one for you.

Not all shops who sell QBP can order Salsa. They make you sign a separate dealer agreement to sell them. The commitment is not much, maybe 9 or 10 bikes. Not all shops can do that.

ducnut 05-27-2010 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trailer Rails
Not all shops who sell QBP can order Salsa. They make you sign a separate dealer agreement to sell them. The commitment is not much, maybe 9 or 10 bikes. Not all shops can do that.

I didn't know that. Heck. I've never seen more than a couple in any one shop.

UnderNewOwnership 05-27-2010 10:51 AM

I got me a Strida. It had a few scratches (the folding bars) on it, so it came with a rebate. No pics, sorry.

PMC 05-27-2010 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trailer Rails
Not all shops who sell QBP can order Salsa. They make you sign a separate dealer agreement to sell them. The commitment is not much, maybe 9 or 10 bikes. Not all shops can do that.

Yep, totally true but it seems like most good size shops around here can get them. Saying that I live in the same town QBP is located so maybe we're Salsa heavy around here :D

I really want a Vaya if for no other reason that I haven't got a new bike in a couple of years.

Gummee! 05-27-2010 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat0020
Is the actual stem on your bike as short as pictured? that could be the main contributing factor to the twitchyness. Get a longer stem and some riser handlebar, that may require to run new/longer cables. Get some wider tires, that would reduce pinch flat likelyhood.
If that doesn't improve things, try going to a fork with a longer rake/trail.. may have to have a custom steel fork made.. 47mm or even 50mm, cost should be under $200.

Its the other way: more rake = twitchier. Less rake = more stable.

I can't explain it in math terms, so if yer wondering WhyTF that is, google is yer friend.

M

SaltWindandFire 05-27-2010 05:50 PM

29 Hardtail?
 
After visiting the only local shop I'm willing to deal with, now I'm thinking a hardtail 29 with a lockout on the front shock would be right up the old alley. Any recommendations? I rode the new Giant 29 today and really liked it.

SaltWindandFire 05-27-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducnut
Unfortunately, you're going lose your tailend trying to unload it; maybe 50 cents on the dollar. So, that's about $850. Will the same dealer help you out and take it in on trade?

Salsa is a QBP-owned company and any shop can get one for you.

The Giant FCR is basically a flat-bar road bike. Unfortunately, Giant doesn't list complete specs on their site and I no longer have an '09 catalog. So, I don't know the rake and trail numbers, but, the headtube angle and chainstay length are nearly identical to the Defy (drop-bar version of your bike). I'm not sure a stem will cure the twitchiness, as the bike may have a short trail number. The twitchiness may be something you have to get used to (guessing you've never owned a true road bike).



This is a flat-bar bike. It positions the rider more upright, which puts the majority of your weight onto your butt. If you were more leaned forward, that would transfer more weight onto your hands; balancing your weight. Adding a longer stem would shift you more forward and could potentially slow the steering and twitchiness. Your LBS should have a stem selection, or old takeoffs, that you can experiment with. Think about your weight spread over an upside-down triangle (bars, saddle, and pedals) and trying to balance it out to your feeling/tolerance.

The FCR doesn't come with a saddle that accommodates larger or heavier people. It's a fairly lightweight plastic piece that has easily compressed foam padding. I'd recommend looking at a Brooks B17 saddle [found here (< 6 month return policy) or here]. It's the widest seat they offer and made of leather. The leather conforms to your butt, as it stretches at your contact points. This is a saddle that, properly cared for, will last your lifetime. You take this seat with you to your next bike.

If I were your bike shop, I wouldn't have sold this bike to you, to begin with. Your weight needs to be considered, first. 25mm tires, lightweight road wheels with low spoke counts, and a AL/carbon frame are not in your favor. Most road bikes are designed for under-200lb riders. Therefore, the frames are built as light as possible to that target weight. You'll have to have something custom-built, if you want a trick road bike.

I think the Fargo will be a much better fit. It's a pretty HD piece of machinery, designed to carry weight. It won't be as fast and efficient as your FCR, but, that's the tradeoff to have something durable. Notice, too, that it has an upright seating position. So, you'll probably be facing the same scenario with saddle selection. Again, the Brooks would be a nice addition.

Lastly, don't be afraid to move stuff around to achieve your optimum fit; the shop's fit is just a starting point. Record initial measurements of where the shop positions things. If something doesn't feel right, start moving one thing at a time, in small increments. Pay attention to what your body is telling you at various pressure points. Then, think about which adjustment would alter the feeling at that point. Fit is pretty easy, when it's looked at like that. Here's some additional reading on the topic.

Forgot to ask: Are you wearing chamois-equipped, cycling shorts? Have you considered the Salsa Vaya or the Rocky Mountain Sherpa? Both, can accept fatter tires, but, not MTB fat.

Like you, "Askel" is a beast of man (< stated in absolute awe). He'll be able to offer further help on Clydesdale equipment.

I really appreciate the help, by the way.

trailer Rails 05-27-2010 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
After visiting the only local shop I'm willing to deal with, now I'm thinking a hardtail 29 with a lockout on the front shock would be right up the old alley. Any recommendations? I rode the new Giant 29 today and really liked it.

Nothing wrong with going with a 29er except if you are going to do a lot of road miles the MTB geometry might be a little slow. The vast amount of tires you can put on one of those bikes is amazing.

The Salsa Fargo is just a 29er with drop bars. You can also look at a Surly Crosscheck, you can fit some small 29er tires on there.

Askel 05-27-2010 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
After visiting the only local shop I'm willing to deal with, now I'm thinking a hardtail 29 with a lockout on the front shock would be right up the old alley. Any recommendations? I rode the new Giant 29 today and really liked it.


Check out the Kona Kahuna line. Very clyde friendly bike. I've done a couple 75+ mile races on it, commuted on it, and ridden all kinds of single track. Not quite the all-rounder my 'cross bike is, but close. Only real complaint is the front derailer limits rear tire clearance, but that's kind of problem endemic to all 29ers, not just my bike.

You should still tell us where and who you plan to ride with. There's a pretty vast difference between a drop bar bike like the Fargo and a traditional 29er. One you might be really happy with, the other, equally miserable.

SaltWindandFire 05-28-2010 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Askel
You should tell us where and who you plan to ride with. There's a pretty vast difference between a drop bar bike like the Fargo and a traditional 29er. One you might be really happy with, the other, equally miserable.

This would be for mainly urban getting around, occasionally some single track in the hill country, and maybe (dreaming) a sprint distance tri locally.


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