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ducnut 05-28-2010 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
This would be for mainly urban getting around, occasionally some single track in the hill country, and maybe (dreaming) a sprint distance tri locally.

The Giant Talon 29er (assuming that's what you rode) is a lot of bike for the money.

However, I wouldn't even consider fighting that much bike in a triathlon. I'd buy a bike for your everyday use and rent a road bike for the triathlons. My GF competes in triathlons and I TT most Wednesday nights. There's a massive efficiency difference between my Anthem and Trinity. Something we've noticed, at events, is seeing someone who'll come out of the water in the top-10 only to come off the bike in 150th because they rode a MTB.

My LBS rents Giant Defy road bikes at $25/day, with a complete fit. If one wanted to test ride a tri bike, they'll do a fit and bring it out to the Wednesday night TT for you to ride, same with Zipp wheels. That's the way they sell stuff; let you spend some time with the product and experience the difference.

Oznerol 05-28-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gummee!
Its the other way: more rake = twitchier. Less rake = more stable.

Actually, it seems like there's some confusion on this because the motorcycle and bicycle world use different terms and conventions for the same things. In the moto world, Cat0020 is right: Rake is the angle of the steering axis as measured from an imaginary vertical line, and more rake means a more 'laid back' steering angle and a more stable bike.

Wikipedia has a pretty good rundown on the differing conventions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle...ing_axis_angle

EvilGenius 05-28-2010 08:49 AM

Anyone in here race in velodromes?

I shot a couple of races at the super drone in Frisco, TX back in highschool.

Never seen one before, but it was pretty awesome.

I might go back soon, looks like they race every Friday.

RichBeBe 05-28-2010 09:09 AM

Currently do not have any kind of commute with my bicycle, but that is likely going to change to a bit of one. I also want to do some more touring. Currently I have a Bianchi Axis CX with rear racks, and fenders. But rode a Surly LHT and loved it. Don't think I want to build form scratch but I think I want disc brakes. The only reasonably priced steel touring bike I see is the Kona Sutra. Anyone have any opinions about it? Or any other options in the sub-$1500 range?

Bimble 05-28-2010 09:44 AM

It's a double, but the Salsa Vaya just squeaks in under $1500.

Askel 05-28-2010 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltWindandFire
This would be for mainly urban getting around, occasionally some single track in the hill country, and maybe (dreaming) a sprint distance tri locally.


Those are three pretty different needs. Sounds like a good excuse to buy 4 bikes. :lol3

Anyway, the instant you start looking at riding singletrack, I say just get a proper mountain bike with flat bars. It's really the best tool for the job. Too many compromises trying to make something else work.

A good mountain bike *could* be pressed into urban duty, but it's slightly less than ideal. Look for rack and fender accommodations to start. 700c wheels as found on a 29er give you lots of tire options too. The geometry of a mountain bike isn't really good for long distances though, so if you're starting to ride more than 20 miles or so at a stretch, there are much better options.

As for the tri? Unless you're going to take triathlons really, really seriously- go out and thrown down on the 29er.

With knobbies. Preferably the fattest you can find.

And leave the fork unlocked and just sort of bob your way past people weaving all over the road in their aerobars.

:D

Gummee! 05-28-2010 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilGenius
Anyone in here race in velodromes?

I shot a couple of races at the super drone in Frisco, TX back in highschool.

Never seen one before, but it was pretty awesome.

I might go back soon, looks like they race every Friday.

:wave

I tell people if the biggest hill I hafta climb again is the banking of the velodrome, I'll be a happy camper. Denver/CO Springs has a track apiece. :nod

:ricky

I can't wait!

Its actually the safest racing I've ever done. YOU don't turn, the track does! Oh, and everybody accelerates and decelerates at about the same speed. No sudden coasting. :nono

M

Mr Head 05-28-2010 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilGenius
Anyone in here race in velodromes?

I shot a couple of races at the super drone in Frisco, TX back in highschool.

Never seen one before, but it was pretty awesome.

I might go back soon, looks like they race every Friday.

Colorado Springs Olympic Training Center Velodrome:
http://mr-head.smugmug.com/Cycling/S...V9keS-X2-1.jpg

We used to run down there from Denver area back in the day.
I got to work some races as an official. Best seat in the house is "Sponge Monitor". Nelson Vales coming by under full steam was very, very cool.:eek1

Mr Head 05-28-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gummee!
:wave

I tell people if the biggest hill I hafta climb again is the banking of the velodrome, I'll be a happy camper. Denver/CO Springs has a track apiece. :nod

:ricky

I can't wait!

Its actually the safest racing I've ever done. YOU don't turn, the track does! Oh, and everybody accelerates and decelerates at about the same speed. No sudden coasting. :nono
M

Denver has a velodrome now?! Cool.

EvilGenius 05-28-2010 11:41 AM

It looks like a lot of fun, but in my current state I'd probably make about 1-1.5 laps before I couldn't make the bank anymore.

:lol3

http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/...uttertroll.gif

Askel 05-28-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichBeBe
Currently do not have any kind of commute with my bicycle, but that is likely going to change to a bit of one. I also want to do some more touring. Currently I have a Bianchi Axis CX with rear racks, and fenders. But rode a Surly LHT and loved it. Don't think I want to build form scratch but I think I want disc brakes. The only reasonably priced steel touring bike I see is the Kona Sutra. Anyone have any opinions about it? Or any other options in the sub-$1500 range?


For reasons that I'm not exactly sure of, one of my teammates just ditched his Sutra in favor of an LHT.

Not entirely sure why. The Sutra looked like a nice bike....

Mr Head 05-28-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilGenius
It looks like a lot of fun, but in my current state I'd probably make about 1-1.5 laps before I couldn't make the bank anymore.

:lol3

http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/...uttertroll.gif

The track was easier than the road to and from. Big hills to climb both ways.

The track is basically flat if you ride around it. If you ride to the top of the banking that would be silly, not that I never did it. I wanted to see what it looked like from a bicycle seat from way up there.
The answer is very weird. Diving off onto the straights is awesome though. :clap

We used to sprint for "yards" to be redeemed at the old pub in the basement of the Broadmore Hotel. :freakySomewhere i have some video I'll have to dig out when I get back to the OC in a month or so.

1reddawg 05-28-2010 05:05 PM

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RichBeBe 05-28-2010 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimble
It's a double, but the Salsa Vaya just squeaks in under $1500.

The double would be a no for me, since I plan on doing some loaded rides and my knees need to spin versus mash. But cool bike nonetheless.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Askel
For reasons that I'm not exactly sure of, one of my teammates just ditched his Sutra in favor of an LHT.

Not entirely sure why. The Sutra looked like a nice bike....

I doubt I am in his/her league, but I would be curious to know why. If you speak to them could you ask for me?
Thanks!

ducnut 05-28-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichBeBe
The double would be a no for me, since I plan on doing some loaded rides and my knees need to spin versus mash. But cool bike nonetheless.

Read this article on the Vaya double. The new SRAM Apex group is built around this same concept.

Just some commuter/touring bikes, in your price range:
Salsa Vaya, as mentioned
Salsa Fargo SLX
Redline Conquest Classic (price?)
Civia Bryant ($1700)
Surly LHT, as mentioned
Novara Buzz ($850 from REI)
Raleigh Detour Deluxe ($800 from REI)
Novara Safari Touring ($720 from REI--several ACA members travel on these)
Marin Lombard ($800 from REI)

I recently picked up a '09 Specialized Tricross Comp for the same type of use as what you're looking at. It has similar geometry, except for 20mm shorter chainstays and taller headtube, to the Surly LHT. I wanted something a little more nimble and lighter than a full-touring bike. Yet, not as serious as a full-'cross bike. It has front and rear eyelets, mid-fork eyelets, and provision for fenders. Found on eBay for $1315 shipped versus an MSRP of $2200. I can easily change the RD to a long cage and swap cassettes to achieve lower gearing, if I were to really load it down. After trying a trailer, I think I'd go that route instead of racks/panniers.

Do you know about the Adventure Cycling Association? It's an organization devoted to bicycle touring in the US.


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