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schattat 03-22-2009 07:32 AM

Compass Repeaters / Tripmasters
 
FOR ALL NEW READERS, PLEASE READ THIS FIRST
Ever since this thread was started it has grown with many pages showing the development and growth of my devices. So, if you don't really care about all that and want ro cut right to the chase, I suggest you skip ahead to here where you can find some pics of the final products as well as the final prices!
Otherwise, please feel free to read on (you'll be able to see many computer generated 3D models of the devices before they were ever made :D
).

Hey guys,

Well, they're finally done!:clap
As you may know from my Africa Race thread (see my signature below), I was asked by a number of people here at ADVrider whether I could make a couple of compass repeaters, just like the ones used at major rallye events, such as "Dakar".
Well, I did. I custom designed and fabricated my own circuit boards, and depending on which components are mounted, they work as a compass repeater, or a tripmaster. These repeaters are a cheaper alternative to the Touratech ones for almost 700€!

In order to have the compass repeater working, you'll either need your own GPS (such as a Garmin), or a simple GPS antenna, like the ones for PDA navigation. To see whether your handeld GPS device is compatible with these repeaters, take a look at your user's manual, and see whether it supports "NMEA Output". If this is the case, check whether is has the "$GPVTG" as one of its output sentences (the majority of the modern devices do, but just check in case :wink:). I can already confirm that the GPS 60 series (CSX, CX, CS, C) are 100% compatible with my repeaters. Many of the other Garmin GPSs too, but as I said, check beforehand! You'll just have to get hold of the appropriate connection cable for your device.

If instead you want to operate the repeater with a standalone antenna, like ones for PDA navigation, I recommend antennas, such as the Rikaline 6010 GPS Mouse. This mouse is waterproof (the majority of other mice aren't!), and fairly accurate (accurate enough for your average joe :lol3). I've used it before on several occasions, and was very satisfied with it.

Now, to the circuit board. I've kept the concept simple, to avoid any trouble that may arise during use. 1 microprocessor controls averything, unlike other manufacturers who tend to use more than 2 (more chances of a fault). The highlight of the whole thing is obviously the LCD. It's a special transflective kind, which means it can be perfectly read, whilst having the backlight running (which runs all the time). It still stays perfectly readable during very strong sunshine, (LED backlight still running).

As you can see on the pics, the PCB (Printed Circuit Board) has several pads made to solder a few wires on to. For the compass repeater, you'll only need 3 wires to operate it with. Positive power lead (10-18V), GND and data. It's also possible to power your GPS/antenna from the device. Whatever you prefer...
The primary job for the reapeater is to show the current true compass course. But several people have asked me to add a feature for speed (also taken from the GPS data). If you want this feature enabled, you're going to have to solder a push button on to one of the designated pads (the other pin to GND). If there is no button attached, the repeater will only show the compass course.
For the tripmaster you'll need 2 buttons to operate it. For this, there are 2 designated pads. The wheel sensor is a standard reed switch (2 wire operation), like the original ICO uses. Again, another pad.

Soldering these few wires shouldn't be much of an issue. A soldering iron costs, what $10?? A bit of solering wire, $2? If you can't solder, I'm sure you can find some helpful videos on youtube, or I can always be of assistance.

Just to be sure, for sale are only the fully soldered circuitboards, without a casing. You'll have to make your own casing for it!
The PCB come ready to run (race?), meaning all necessary parts are mounted, and the device is programmed. You just need the solder a few wires...

I currently only have 20 pieces available. If there's a greater demand, I'll make a couple more...
Mode models were successfully tested during the Africa Race, with no faults whatsoever!


Measurements: 72mm x 49mm x 11mm
Price:
Compass Repeater - 160€
Tripmaster - 80€


:earIf there are any open questions, please do ask!!! :ear

Oh yeah, some pics :lol3

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/dsc02693.jpg

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/dsc02694.jpg

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/dsc02696.jpg

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/dsc02701.jpg

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/dsc02702.jpg

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/dsc02692.jpg

HogWild 03-22-2009 07:50 PM

Great product, though it will be a bit of a chore packaging it.

Can you confirm that it works with the GPS unit used in Dakar? What type of connector is needed to make that connection to the Dakar GPS? Pinouts?

I didn't find a convenient source to purchase the Rikakin GPS receiver you suggested. I did find a similar waterproof unit for a very good price on eBay: PolStar GPS on eBay But, I can't tell if your unit is compatible with the PolStar GPS receiver voltage levels. Can you check the specs and let me know. Does the repeater have a 5V output to power such a GPS? At under US$20 with shipping, this PolStar GPS seems like a good choice, if it would work. Better yet, if you provided an option to purchase your repeater packaged with a GPS receiver like this, that would be even better! I'm not sure a lot of people are ready to take on the project of packaging the repeater, finding a compatible "mouse" GPS, building their own cables, and figuring out voltage compatibilities and how to wire everything up. But I'm ready for it!

I don't fully understand the pricing. Does your Compass Repeater also have the functions of your Tripmaster, or are they completely different units? Ideally, I would like to see one unit with both functions (with pushbutton to toggle between functions). Is that possible?

Do you accept Paypal?

schattat 03-23-2009 06:19 AM

Questions and Answers
 
Hey HogWild,

Thanks for taking interest! Now to your ???s

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
Can you confirm that it works with the GPS unit used in Dakar?

Sort of... Let me put it this way: My dear friend Ken (BAZZER450) was kind enough to lend me his original ERTF repeater, so I could make him a custom converter to allow the repeater to work with his Garmin 60CSX. Because of that, I now know how the original repeater works... So basically in conclusion, I can say the it will be compatible with the ERTF GPS, but can't ensure it 100%!

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
What type of connector is needed to make that connection to the Dakar GPS? Pinouts?

The original cable is a round 3 pin connector, mostly used in the industrial industry. I'm sure I can source one up if you need one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
But, I can't tell if your unit is compatible with the PolStar GPS receiver voltage levels.

Yeah, it'll work without a problem. One thing is still unclear, as it says in the description, that the "VTG" sentence is optional. Better to ask the seller, whether it's already turned on by default.
As you can see in this pic, you'll only need to connect 3 wires: Red(+5V), Black(GND) and Green(RS232 TX, i.e data). In fact you won't need the connector. Just cut if and use the 3 mentioned wires.
http://usih.merchantrun.com/ImageHos...isplaySize=400

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
Does the repeater have a 5V output to power such a GPS?

Yes, I extra made sure of that! There's a small pad designated to it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
...But I'm ready for it!

Good on 'ya :thumbup

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
Does your Compass Repeater also have the functions of your Tripmaster, or are they completely different units?

Actually, they're 2 seperate units.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
Ideally, I would like to see one unit with both functions (with pushbutton to toggle between functions). Is that possible?

Interesting idea! Maybe if a couple more guys are also interested in this option I can write the appropriate code for it. Shouldn't be all too difficult, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild
Do you accept Paypal?

Paypal or international bank transfer is fine.


If you've got any more questions, you know where to reach me :norton

schattat 03-24-2009 10:46 AM

Possible casing?
 
Hey guys,

A buddy of mine here has been able to source up a nice casing for his repeater. Take a look here:
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...ally-Light.jpg

They're milled out of an aluminum block. If a small qauntity isn't too expensive, I'll order a few. This should make it a lot easer for you guys :D

Tomaz 03-24-2009 01:46 PM

Nice piece of work! Congratulations Schattat!
Can you tell a little bit more about Tripmaster functions ?
How many counters (total and parcial?)
What are the two button functions ?
Increment/decrement/reset functions available?
Thanks in advance,
Tomaz


schattat 03-25-2009 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomaz
Nice piece of work! Congratulations Schattat!

Thanks a lot for the congrats! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomaz
Can you tell a little bit more about Tripmaster functions?

Sure thing! It has a very basic setup. 3 main modes: Trip (obviously :lol3), speed and time.
Each mode has at least 1 "submode". Such as...
Trip: Put device to sleep
Speed: Top speed, wheel circumference setup (in mm)
Time: Adjust time

I must say, that the clock is EXTREMLY accurate!! We synchronised our tripmaster to an atmoic clock in mid-December. It's still running to the exact same minute :eek1!!!!:eek1
Also, it has been running on the same set of batteries since then, too!!! OVER 3 MONTHS NOW!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomaz
How many counters (total and parcial?)

I've only built in one entire trip counter, as I have never needed a second one... Use it for one stage, then reset it to 0 the next morning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomaz
What are the two button functions ?

Trip mode:
Up -> Increment trip
Down -> Decrement trip
Hold Down (when trip is 0) -> Go to sleep mode (saves heaps of power)
Hold both -> Switch mode to speed

Speed mode:
Hold up -> Show top speed
Hold down -> Set wheel circumference
Hold both -> Switch to time mode

Time Mode:
Hold down -> Set time

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomaz
Increment/decrement/reset functions available?

See above!


If you need any more info, you know where to reach me :D

Kind Regards,
Tony Schattat

LocuL 03-26-2009 01:18 PM

...
 
ooohh did you sell a ready to connectpacket?

regards
Mikael

DaveRMS 03-26-2009 06:48 PM

I'd probably be interested in a combo unit.

Will it connect to the GPS that rally providers make you use? I mean, the same GPS that the ERTF unit connects to in a sanctioned rally? Sorry if that is covered above and I just don't understand--I'm still a "wannabe".

Dave

schattat 03-27-2009 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locul@hotmail.com
ooohh did you sell a ready to connectpacket?

Yeah, I could do that. Just tell me what GPS you have, and I'll order the necessary cable for it, and wire up the rest of it. You'll only need to attach power and the data cable to your GPS and your ready to go!

schattat 03-27-2009 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSNorCal
I'd probably be interested in a combo unit

That makes 2 of you now. I'll think about it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSNorCal
Will it connect to the GPS that rally providers make you use? I mean, the same GPS that the ERTF unit connects to in a sanctioned rally?

You see, the problem is that I can't get hold of one of their GPSs to test it. I'm pretty sure (99%) that it'll work with the ERTF GPS.
I'll be heading to Marseille on my bike the weekend before the start of the Rallye de Tunisie. Maybe I can meet up with somebody there, who'll let me test it on his GPS. That is if I can find somebody!

LocuL 03-27-2009 08:34 AM

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Hep

GPS: Garmin 60csx
if im to buy this i will need the repeater boxed/cased in the alu block.

regards
Mikael

schattat 03-27-2009 10:52 AM

Casing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Locul@hotmail.com
if im to buy this i will need the repeater boxed/cased in the alu block

I had a talk to a couple of CNC fabricators here, an it looks like the casing won't be all too expensive!:clap About 30 a piece, if I order 20 pieces.

I'll just have to make a 3D design of it, and send it to them! Of course, the designed ones will look 100x better than the ones shown on the pic above!!!:lol3 Maybe I'll take the original ICO casing as a reference...

LocuL 03-27-2009 11:54 AM

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Hello

I got plenty of time. I will need it to the http://www.transgothica.pl/index.php?action=&ln=en
But its first in sep.

Regards
Mikael

HogWild 03-28-2009 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schattat
Maybe I'll take the original ICO casing as a reference...

I vote for that. Your current PWB is a bit "tall". I was studying the photos to see if the top and bottom edges could be trimmed down without hitting any traces. If you were able to make it fit in the same spot as an ICO, including the size and mounting bolts, that might get a few more people interested. Keep up the great work!

schattat 04-14-2009 09:56 AM

New Casing
 
Hey guys,

I'm back from my first bike trip through France/Germany! :clap

Anyways, back to the topic... I spent the last couple of days working on a 3D design for the casing for the circuit boards (took me only 3 days to learn how to use the program and design it):
Tell me what you think :evil


Natural Aluminum Look:
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...20Sale/Alu.png

Traditional Red (Anodized):
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...20Sale/Red.png

Anodized Yamaha WR Blue (my dad's favourite :D):
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...0Sale/Blue.png


I had a talk with a few CNC fabricators here to let them be made, so we'll see what'll happen!


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