Car tires? I would imagine that once you lean it over enough that the contact patch isn't going anywhere it can get exciting pretty fast..

I think this might actually be a shinko "Hookup".

I saw one at a local shop on a bike that was in for repairs. It looked like a car tire, so I had a look.

Likely a Shinko Hook Up drag
http://www.shinkotireusa.com/img/pro...rag-radial.jpg
Very flat radial

Didn't see Uraberg's post.

Off his Miata no doubt!

The only excuse to run a car tire on a solo bike that I can think of is that car tires are cheaper than proper motorcycle tires.

I rode a friends 1200 Bandit awhile ago and was wondering why it was so hard to 'wrestle' into to the curve's. When i got back from my ride i had a look at the back tyre and it was well worn in the middle, hardly at all on the side's, frigging awfull to ride. With a car tyre in the back, it's not a motorcycle any more, better off with side car outfit!

On the Goldwing if you lean over much more you drag metal.

All I'm saying is I saw it, I tried it and it works pretty well.

It works. What's your point?
They are using run flats too!

Yup, to each their own. There are a bunch of Iron Butt Rally guys that swear by the car tire. They're the same ones who hate twisties because they're "too slow." They say you can't make time on the twisties.

You probably DON'T want to research this on any of the touring bike forums since you don't want to hear that big heavy bikes can make the car tires perform very well on a bike.

Back to the sand.... insert head.

that, and they will last a hell of a lot longer.:1drink

And believe it or not they are made of a softer compound. :deal
(with few exceptions)

If you follow the supplied links, the second one explains...
The second truck had started to overtake the first truck after the crash, and then decided not to and started reversing back into his own lane, when he was hit by the second bike, and then the third..

This thread's useless without pictures
:*sip*

I could see this if you only ride on interstates or out in the mid West where all the roads go straight for miles, 90° turn, then straight for another ten miles or more.

Maybe this guy was linking two interstates via the gap? :lol3

:clap:lurk

Faster in the trailer than most slayers...
 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hA9NoHE7BL...0/img_2716.jpg

Oh no! Those weren't car tires on that trailer were they?!

I like the way the ' moto hound' leans into the bend, great stuff:D

And it appears that he is looking through the turn. Well trained indeed:clap

And he is wearing his hi-viz vest, but where is his lid?:D

Flat profile tires make absolutely perfect sense for a trailer that does not lean into turns.

Shirley he was joking..... :loco

The question is at whose expense. As he is clearly taking the side of using automobile tires (based on earlier postings) the sarcasm in his post seems directed at those who think rounded profile tires make the most sense for a two track vehicle.

Live and let live, I always say. If he wants to declare "I'm a cheap dumbass", then nothing does that better than a car tire on a motorcycle.

Well, except for duct tape....

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I was getting the jump on those who would say only trailer tires should be on trailers......

Actually the whole car tire thing is disturbing because those who are sure that it's wrong are getting in the way of those who are doing it successfully.

http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/...right_side.jpg

less talk....more pictures.

http://www.600rr.net/gallery/files/4/6/0/0/09379.jpg


:lurk

Jeebus. Talk about "traction budget".... :rofl

:thumb

He's strong! :lol3

AND he'd get better traction if he put the sticky side out!! Dur dur dur.....

Wow. That just reinforces every cliche about dumb Southern hicks. Sunbelt states are gonna spend millions of taxpayer dollars trying to undo what this video has done to their reputation. :1drink

Stirring the pot. The car tire can't lose grip in a turn because the foot pegs grab the asphalt holding the bike on the road.

http://gmill1.webs.com/photos/GL1800/A2903858a-1.JPG
http://cdn.content.compendiumblog.co...90d1_w640.jpeg
http://sportbike.natkd.com/Tires/contact%20patch.jpg

Everybody knows yer 'sposed to wrap the tape in the opposite direction of 'driven' rotation so it stays on longer.:1drink

Dumbass.

Dayum! According to the pic of the wing and your graphics the car tire has more contact. Thanks!

Yup!!! :wink:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1095691375.jpg

Wait a second- so rather than administer to one of the three guys hurt, this dude whips out his camera and starts taking pics? There's a rider under a truck here. :baldy

This photo belongs in the WTF thread.:bluduh

What about the 4-5 guys standing by the truck while a guy lays 5ft away on the hood presumably unconscious?

No one knew that Bo was under the truck :dunno

Maybe it is a matter of triage. Bo and Jason aren't going to benefit from first aid?

I'm going to assume that's sarcasm.

http://www.farson.com/images/dg1.jpg
http://www.farson.com/images/dg2.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1095690779.jpg

Keep in mind that the picture shows 1/100 of a second (just a guess, it's probably even less). Having read more about this pic rest assured that the situation is well in hand. Nobody died.

This gets eerie. Look at the name of the first poster from your link then match it here with the second name on the list.

His post answers all the questions raised about the picture.

This is a shot taken at the scene of the accident, mere seconds after
the crash. 'Bo' (lower left corner, *UNDER* the truck), is the new CBR
600RR rider that overcooked the corner and proceeded to lowside and
wedge himself *under* the Chevy.

The older white Ford in the photo veered into the oncoming lane to go
around the wreck, decided against it, and started backing down the hill.
This is where Jason (Duc rider, Springfield Police Officer) met the
truck, 1/2 way around the corner. Jason jumped from the bike just
before impact, and ended up with his head/shoulder through the
windshield. Paul (following behind Jason) hit the old Ford as well,
though didn't sustain as much damage.

Luckily the other riders knew enough not to move ANYONE, so they left
Bo under the truck, and Jason on the hood. Bo might lose his right arm;
the doctors haven't decided yet. Jason was conscious the whole time,
but understood not to move. Good thing. He's got a fractured C7
vertabra (I think the same thing that happened to Christopeher Reeves).

Let's hope that they got vasectomized at the E.R. :eek1

:photog

Absolutely NOT, in a multiple victim accident where there are limited first aid resources, the FIRST thing you do is evaluate all the victims and put your efforts where they have the chance to do the most good. No sense on starting CPR on someone who may not revive, when you have someone bleeding severely and going into shock. The 2nd may be saveable.

A mass casualty is when ever victims exceed personal, so it can be as few as 2 victims, and the FIRST thing you do is quickly evaluate all victims, and help those that can be helped, that MIGHT mean letting someone die, if you feel your efforts have a better chance of saving another. YUP, EMS personal sometimes have to decide who will die.

Talk about wide in a corner...

http://www.whatsonchengdu.com/news_i...74374a_5-1.jpg

So your telling me if I arrive at a MVA seconds after it has happened(which is when the photo was taken) I should chat with my buddies, having my back turned to a man in severe pain? I am not saying they should have tried to immobilize him but why not attempt to calm him and prevent/delay the shock to set in.

Then there is Bo, I find it hard to believe that nobody knew he was under the truck. Didn't the driver realize he hit somebody or what about the guy lifting up Paul's bike? There is so much shit wrong with this picture, hopefully somebody had their license revoked and the bi-standards went home and signed up for a first responders course at their local community college.

bi-standards, eh? What difference does their sexuality make? LOL :lol3

oops, what's the point of spell check if you chose the wrong word. Bystanders is what I meant.

You are ASSuming too much from a still. How do you know that they had not already done that and the guy with his head through the windshield had already acknowledged that and the next ignorant dweeb ran up and said: "Let's get him lifted down off the truck" ... And is now being chastised by the smart one? It looks to me like they are discussing what could and should be done next.

Not saying that is what happened but it is more likely than your scenario. :1drink

Since I know fuck all about how to administer first aid/cpr or what ever the hell was needed at this scene, I imagine most folks would prefer that I shoot photos from afar instead of fucking someone up even more than they are with my hands on skills.

Good answer! :clap

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Bo was being attended to from folks near the rear of the vehicle. He had a severed artery, and from reading the story, the pressure of the vehicle on top of his injured parts may have actually saved him from bleeding out on the scene. <o:p></o:p>
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The photog was with the group. And as can be seen there are enough “responders” working the scene already. It was worded that he try and document as much as possible for all parties involved. <o:p></o:p>

Boy, that looks horrific.
I don't know anything about what happened or what lead up to this wreck. But at first blush, if 3 bikes are down at the same scene, it looks like someone didn't plan on contingency. It's one main reason I avoid group rides. Everyone likes to ride way too close for my comfort, leaving no room to think for myself and ride my own ride.

In the military, triage in a mass casualty situation means separating patients into 3 groups: 1) Those who can wait for treatment. 2) Those who need immediate treatment to survive. 3) Those who won't make it no matter what is done.

Group 3 patients are just set aside.

That's an instant in time,maybe 1/250th of a second. There are several people in movement during that instant. Give them some credit. Perhaps they have not yet figured out the guy is pinned under the truck. A big incident like that is confusing as hell and surely it happened quickly.

Sorry dude but I still say shame on you. Even if you don't know CPR, calling 911, simply talking and trying calming a bud down, etc would be much more productive in my mind.

Going to the aide of a mate in trouble jumps to my mind way before take a picture for posterity.

We can agree to disagree. I would highly recommend you and your guys take a basic first aid or CPR course.

Fixed!

There's often a point where what you can do to help is take pictures. It's not just some frivolous glamour shot "for posterity", it's about documenting the accident. It could be the difference for your friend in court.

At an accident, you need to secure the scene first, and then see about aiding people. Securing the scene means, among other things, that you assess who's there, who is in need and, and what you can do to help. It's not that much of a stretch to imagine a situation where the best thing for YOU to do is take photos.

This is exactly true. An incompetent responder can easily do more harm than good.

This is from the original poster:

Luckily the other riders knew enough not to move ANYONE, so they left
Bo under the truck, and Jason on the hood. Bo might lose his right arm;
the doctors haven't decided yet. Jason was conscious the whole time,
but understood not to move. Good thing. He's got a fractured C7
vertabra (I think the same thing that happened to Christopeher Reeves).


Can't you hear the lawyers?.... So in your expert opinion doctor my clients Bo and Jason would not be quadriplegics today had Mr.Boonbooni left them alone?

You've heard the testimony today that Mr Boonbooni's experience in CPR and First on Scene care is:
Boon Booni is correct to be careful in our litigious society. The picture probably helps more so he does what he thinks will help, takes a picture.

I came across an accident once. A 27 year old girl was ejected from a pickup. She was on the ground screaming her ass off. Friends of hers were holding her down, blood was coming from her mouth. Her husband had a gash 4" long above his ear. A puppy was dying next to the girl and another dog was wedged under the seat. I suggested the husband take it easy and not walk around. He asked me to help free the wedged dog. I did free the dog, handed it to him and it took off like the devil was chasing him. I went after the dog but never found it. I got back to the scene and the GHP was on scene as was a helicopter. The puppy was dead. The GHP officer was rude to me and told me to GTFO.

If they are breathing, not bleeding and conscious it's better to wait for the experts IMO. Doctors and EMTs don't care if you are comfortable or in pain unless the pain tells them something. Airway Bleeding and Circulation.

Securing the scene includes directing traffic to avoid more mayhem.

Good Samaritan laws generally protect anyone helping the injured. The laws vary by jurisdiction, but "The responder is not legally liable for the death, disfigurement or disability of the victim as long as the responder acted rationally, in good faith and in accordance with their level of training" is a general rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

Now that we have gotten a little more background on the situation, I can't fault him for taking photos.

The pain from your injuries is nothing compared to the pains in your ass you'll get later when all of the legal hits the fan.

Check out the "Run over by a lawnmower" thread, and he was barely hurt.

This is about the third pic in the last two weeks where commentators here jumped on their high horses and judged an entire scenario from one picture and were rebuffed when the people in the picture came here to offer the full story.

It provides a good lesson that a picture can tell a thousand words, just don't trust the accuracy of those words.

it also provides another good lesson- one that some people may NEVER learn no matter what- namely,
STFU and get your mouthy judgmental ass down off your high horse. anyone who wasn't there has NO business even trying to

A: decipher what happened
B: tell someone who WAS there what they SHOULD have done

all you fuckin "armchair experts" oughta remember
it is far better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

^^^^^ this ^^^^^

I've given up on group rides after seeing too many near misses made by fools with a throttle in one hand and their dick in the other. No manners, no roadcraft, and no commonsense :(:

Don't ever go on dual sport rides our here... Unless you have a bone sticking out or copious amounts of blood spraying it is cameras first here. :lol3

I can't believe anyone would get that much spittle on their keyboard over such minor nonsense.

Show me one quote from this thread from someone who was at the accident scene.....I didn't see any.

You are quick to judge with your dumbass verbal attack but the truth is you don't know what the hell you are talking about so you should heed your own words.

I'll tell ya one thing though, you certainly live up to your user title...:lol3

ok next pick to pick apart please:pierce

Can we post or are we still in trouble :jive


http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photog..._hoot_heed.jpg
http://bp3.blogger.com/_FOR5R1ET2Gk/...ow-leaning.jpg
http://www.tailofthedragon.com/photo...ragon-9-18.jpg

British truck drivers.

http://tailofthedragon.com/pics2008/Bear.jpg
http://www.us129photos.com/images/stories/Weekly/14.jpg

How'd you get two pix of Gold Wings and then think immediately of trucks on the Dragon? :D

The GWs appear to be ridden competently. The truck, not so much.

This dumbass obviously doesn't know WTF he's doing..... look at the clutch!!... he's only covering it with ONE FINGER!!!!

n00b!!!!!

I'd give an arm and/or a leg to ride like that guy.

Jesus, that bear is not only on the wrong side of the yellow line, he's also lost all traction on his back paws. What a menace!

:D

Obviously is lacking ABS.:evil

Another Darwinian Couple
 

Seems to me the BMW is on the wrong lane too...

as for the two goldwings, well the riders are counterleaning, so there goes the competence down the drain.

Those GoldWing pictures remind me of a wonderful image in a strip ín the "Motomania" comic series by German cartoonist Holger Aue, I wish I could find it online somewhere...

the strip was about a guy admiring his friend´s brand new Gold Wing and being allowed to go for a short ride after being warned about the limited lean angle.

When he returns he says sth like yes, you were right about the lean angle, but it got better after a while...

and then you see the bike, with the fairing, exhaust, pegs and panniers completely ground away, laid open and the edges still glowing red, like one of those cutaway demonstration models you sometimes see...:rofl

I looked up Deals Gap images and the truckers always come up. They say it looks like a good shortcut to a trucker who is unfamiliar, just looking at a map, but it doesn't work well for most 18 wheelers.

http://shops.venditio.com/moto-vs/i_...ist-rechts.jpg More Motomania

It's asinine riding like this that leads to guys getting punched out at the Deals Gap cafe/motel (dear yellow Ducati rider, I still feel bad about it. Hope you've learned how to ride, asshat).

How about....
 

"Because We Care"
 

and speaking of trucks....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KSbMYYDr_4...0/img_2778.jpg

Seriously he could be a Brit.

I would be afraid to ride a bike alone in England. I am sure I would end up riding in the right lane and having a head on.

Exactly what I thought when I saw this....

I don't get it. I ended up on I think it was 209 coming out of Hot Springs. There's a huge yellow sign coming out of the town that says the road is restricted to trucks shorter than like 30 ft.

this was the only sign warning truckers about the dragon.

found this on a Google search:

Why are trucks even allowed on the Dragon?
US 129 is a <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:STREET><ST1:ADDRESS>Federal Highway </ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET>. Unless it is absolutely impossible for large trucks to make the corners the authorities are hesitant to restrict such traffic. The nearest routes over the mountains are at some distance. I-40 is 50 miles to the north and US 64 is 40 miles to the south. Both are prone to closings because of rock slides. In late 2009 both were closed at the same time for several months. Truck traffic is not allowed over US 441 through the <ST1:PLACE><ST1:PLACENAME>Great </ST1:PLACENAME><ST1:PLACENAME>Smoky </ST1:PLACENAME><ST1:PLACETYPE>Mountain </ST1:PLACETYPE><ST1:PLACETYPE>National Park. </ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE>We do see a few trucks come over the Cherohala Skyway, but since on a map it is only a <ST1:STREET><ST1:ADDRESS>State Route,</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET> it is not usually considered by truckers.
To the unsuspecting driver US 129 looks like a good route between <ST1:CITY><ST1:PLACE>Knoxville </ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>and north <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION><ST1:PLACE>Georgia </ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>. Once they see how twisty it is they are committed to keep going because there is no place to turn around. The warning signs recently placed on each side of the Dragon just do not get the attention of some truck drivers.


from here: http://www.tailofthedragon.com/dragon_faq.html

On a lighter note....
 

... a couple of "picks" from the Tail... (well... not exactly the Tail)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MMLQjhIbMP...0/img_2452.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J9uNcZqM2-...0/img_3546.jpg

Her experssion just seems to say... "He's picking his nose again, isn't he?"

How cute, they are wearing matching jeans.

HMmmmmm
 

M E T !

I thought it was pretty well implied. :huh

Road King Crossing the double yellow 318 times in 11 miles
 

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Since I mostly ride alone, you got any courses for performing CPR on yourself?

Didn't think i'd live to see a fucking cup holder on a bike, s'pouse it's ok, he is on the correct side of the road at least:huh

Your not on the bike 24/7 are you? It comes in handy other times too! The life you save may be someone elses.

That reminds me. I need to get re-certified.

Find a fist-sized rock or stump and belly-flop your upper sternum onto it about 120 times per minute, for as long as you need to until your heart beats again.

But he's got the straight pipes so you can hear him coming.... :lol3

Cough, really hard. Seriously.

I'm not checking for hernias :huh