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RxZ 12-20-2011 09:14 AM

Looks like the Gap is more or less closed for the season, but Mulholand is open!

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rnickeymouse/5188898024/" title="crash by rnickeymouse, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4126/5188898024_9f56d60240.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="crash"></a>

dwoodward 12-20-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17514949)
If I recall red turn signal (lens) is not allowed in some States but not sure. Anyone?

Since there are a number of 2012 vehicles being sold that only have red lenses on the back, I doubt that red turn signals are illegal anywhere in the US.

IheartmyNx 12-20-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bwalsh (Post 17555498)
Cool pic but...Chin Strap fail! :eek1


Chin strap!? Like that's gonna make a difference with a tee shirt, and Mr. Dress shirt...


WTF is it with cruiser riders and not wearing gear? Damn, I know the Crotch-rocket guy's arent exactly batting a thousand here, but every once and a while you see one...

Almost every Adventure rider and Supermoto guy is dressed...


What is the mentality? Buy American and we don't stinking crash! (?)

IheartmyNx 12-20-2011 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RxZ (Post 17555596)
Looks like the Gap is more or less closed for the season, but Mulholand is open!

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rnickeymouse/5188898024/" title="crash by rnickeymouse, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4126/5188898024_9f56d60240.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="crash"></a>


R1 body slam off the top rope! SWEET!


(it's all I got...)

lemieuxmc 12-20-2011 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sutherngintelmen (Post 17554069)

But if a BMW rider owns a KTM, isn't he really a KTM rider who owns a BMW?

I don't always own more than one motorcycle...
But when I do, I'm still a Moto Guzzi man.
Stay thirsty my friends!

Aussijussi 12-20-2011 09:33 AM

[QUOTE=O.C.F.RIDER;17555534]
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Originally Posted by high dangler (Post 17555397)

You're right of course, the rider in the foto isn't Jarno Saarinen, although he is said to have started this 'hanging off' style. There is some footage about him on y tube, great rider. Who is the rider in the foto?

Ritalin Boy 12-20-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bwalsh (Post 17555498)

I love the way he protected the paint and chrome.

ricochetrider 12-20-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaws justice (Post 17554785)
I would have to disagree with this mans body position, if you draw a line thru the center line of the bike (Continue up the front tire) you will notice his entire upper body is to the outside of the bike, NOT the inside, he is counter leaning.

right? argument over.
hey man, i mean like everybody KNOWS that counter leaning is a critical part of counter steering- both of which (along with ABS) are essential to making it safely thru ANY turn on a motorcycle. :lol3 :evil :rofl

sheesh. get with it people!

:hide

Beto 12-20-2011 10:14 AM

Little dude in the back looks a bit dehydrated...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g0PT-G8uCa...0/img_1681.jpg

Ogre_fl 12-20-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17555660)

http://gallery.me.com/beautrivers/10...g_8787/web.jpg

But if a BMW rider owns a KTM, isn't he really a KTM rider who owns a BMW?

Note the twat suit.
I say BMW rider who owns a KTM.

thehomealien 12-20-2011 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RxZ (Post 17555596)
Looks like the Gap is more or less closed for the season, but Mulholand is open!

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rnickeymouse/5188898024/" title="crash by rnickeymouse, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4126/5188898024_9f56d60240.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="crash"></a>

That bike is on the sidestand. He's just mounting it with a sweet-ass flying kick kung fu flair! :clap

gmiguy 12-20-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by IheartmyNx (Post 17555633)
Chin strap!? Like that's gonna make a difference with a tee shirt, and Mr. Dress shirt...

Given the choice, I'd much rather have a bad crash in a tee shirt and a securely fastened helmet than in an armored jacket with my chinstrap unfastened.

The primary risks from not having a jacket are abrasion injuries and broken bones. Yeah, those are awful, but they generally don't kill people or ruin lives.

If your helmet comes off you're looking at things like paralysis, brain damage, serious facial deformities, and death. These things are front page bad news.

So yes, I expect that having her chin strap fastened could very easily "make a difference" in the consequences of a crash regardless of whatever else she's wearing.

O.C.F.RIDER 12-20-2011 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussijussi (Post 17555749)
You're right of course, the rider in the foto isn't Jarno Saarinen, although he is said to have started this 'hanging off' style. There is some footage about him on y tube, great rider. Who is the rider in the foto?

http://www.ducatiusa.com/pub/image.d...&ext=image.png
Paul Smart.
The pic is from 1968
He IS the man that started today's style of hanging off.

Chris

Ritalin Boy 12-20-2011 11:51 AM

I heard John Cooper was the first to hang off.

http://www.blondeel.be/News_Article_-_JOHN_COOPER1.jpg

I'd say that chances are we'll never know for sure who was the first.

Aussijussi 12-20-2011 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.C.F.RIDER (Post 17556284)
http://www.ducatiusa.com/pub/image.d...&ext=image.png
Paul Smart.
The pic is from 1968
He IS the man that started today's style of hanging off.

Chris

He was racing the same year's as Saarinen, being in gp's in '70-72, so who can say, egg or the chicken:huh

kraven 12-20-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritalin Boy (Post 17555913)
I love the way he protected the paint and chrome.

He was personally consulted at the dealer for that chrome. He feels attached to it.

Skin grows back. Wal-Mart sells more jeans.

IheartmyNx 12-20-2011 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraven (Post 17556938)
He was personally consulted at the dealer for that chrome. He feels attached to it.

Yeah, right after the introduction to motorcycles and how to ride course.

"Well, now, ya see... Thisy here's yer front brake, relax you'll never need it... Thisy here's yer throttle, or "wargbl wargbl warglb" maker... That there's yer rear brake, and thisy here's yer gear shifter... Oh, and most important of all! These are yer highway pegs."

Pats new expert rider on the back "Now yer ready to ride, Hoss"

New rider: "Pft! I already knew all that"


Quote:

Originally Posted by kraven (Post 17556938)
Skin grows back. Wal-Mart sells more jeans.

lol, but you forgot "chicks dig scars"

lemieuxmc 12-20-2011 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre_fl (Post 17556163)
Note the twat suit.
I say BMW rider who owns a KTM.


I have a polo shirt, but I don't ride a pony.

Does KTM make jackets or do they focus all of their energy on making high performance motorcycles? :huh

ER70S-2 12-20-2011 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17556954)
Does KTM make jackets ? :huh

Oh hell yes :bert

http://www.ktmcyclehutt.com/ktm-part...=&fitment=Mens

IheartmyNx 12-20-2011 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RxZ (Post 17555596)
Looks like the Gap is more or less closed for the season, but Mulholand is open!

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rnickeymouse/5188898024/" title="crash by rnickeymouse, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4126/5188898024_9f56d60240.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="crash"></a>


Well, I follow the R1 in the helicopter, to lure it way from the curves, then Roy comes along in the Lockheed Stahfighter and attacks it with air-to-air missiles...

Beto 12-20-2011 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RxZ (Post 17555596)
Looks like the Gap is more or less closed for the season, but Mulholand is open!

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4126/5...9f56d60240.jpg

Looks more like a hangover than a hangoff :lol3:lol3:lol3

coop74 12-20-2011 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougZ73 (Post 17555513)
Wow..how that did not highside him is amazing. He left quite a nice blackie too.

Good job on getting thread back on track. :thumb

the Shear Mass of that Ass holding the bike down...

Sutherngintelmen 12-20-2011 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogre_fl (Post 17556163)
Note the twat suit.

Pay attention

aprilian 12-20-2011 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sutherngintelmen (Post 17554069)

How come that big orange thing by your foot doesn't have a white "m" on it?

MMMmmmm Chocolate:lol3

Boon Booni 12-20-2011 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooteraug02 (Post 17551445)

Good lord, someone needs to add some rear pre-load.

k woo 12-20-2011 02:53 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LxZ4Mi3rR3...0/img_5713.jpg





.............might I suggest that the young lady should be SEVERELY spanked for risking her pretty neck in such a reckless manner. :evil

EvilClown 12-20-2011 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaws justice (Post 17554785)
I would have to disagree with this mans body position, if you draw a line thru the center line of the bike (Continue up the front tire) you will notice his entire upper body is to the outside of the bike, NOT the inside, he is counter leaning.

http://www.knfilters.com/images/pres...-brothers2.jpg

Must be a dirt track thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooteraug02 (Post 17555477)


:clap:clap:clap

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougZ73 (Post 17555513)
Wow..how that did not highside him is amazing.

+1

Ritalin Boy 12-20-2011 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17557856)
Good lord, someone needs to add some rear pre-load.


Or take dinner and the 24 pack out of the panniers.


Thank you for saying what I was thinking.

bomber1965 12-20-2011 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17557856)
Good lord, someone needs to add some rear pre-load.


http://davedragon.rilysi.com/2006/09/trips.html

bwalsh 12-20-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17556954)
I have a polo shirt, but I don't ride a pony.

Pfft. Poser...




















:lol3

dolomoto 12-20-2011 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IheartmyNx (Post 17555633)
Chin strap!? Like that's gonna make a difference with a tee shirt, and Mr. Dress shirt...
WTF is it with cruiser riders and not wearing gear? ......snipped... (?)

An acquaintance of mine showed up for a day trip from LV to Death Valley and back dressed like this...

http://dolomoto.smugmug.com/Other/HN...5_kNKGe-XL.jpg

That's just what he wore. He'd never ridden a motorcycle before and got the Rocker C 'cause he liked it. He kept it less than a year and made someone a good deal on it.

:norton

baloneyskin daddy 12-20-2011 07:30 PM

Did he decide not to ride anymore or just not to ride that particular style of bike?

lemieuxmc 12-20-2011 09:09 PM

But in my defense, I've never posted on Chukker.com either! :lol3

frontiercat 12-21-2011 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dolomoto (Post 17559071)
An acquaintance of mine showed up for a day trip from LV to Death Valley and back dressed like this...

http://dolomoto.smugmug.com/Other/HN...5_kNKGe-XL.jpg

That's just what he wore. He'd never ridden a motorcycle before and got the Rocker C 'cause he liked it. He kept it less than a year and made someone a good deal on it.

:norton

That is an abomination of a bike....gaaack!

I've ridden thousands of miles like that, except no helmet...to each their own...risk...

DaveDragon 12-21-2011 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17557856)
Good lord, someone needs to add some rear pre-load.

Yup, looks pretty low. I had been riding the Gravelhala and backed the pre-load off a little too much once back on the black top.

ricochetrider 12-21-2011 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dolomoto (Post 17559071)
An acquaintance of mine showed up for a day trip from LV to Death Valley and back dressed like this...

http://dolomoto.smugmug.com/Other/HN...5_kNKGe-XL.jpg

That's just what he wore. He'd never ridden a motorcycle before and got the Rocker C 'cause he liked it. He kept it less than a year and made someone a good deal on it.

:norton

this dude's entire outfit is AMAZING, i mean like EVERYTHING matches. :eek1
wow, he obviously dresses himself, maybe doesn't even live at home anymore.... :clap
the way his gloves coordinate with that chin thingy on the helmet just KILLS me.
"that's just what he wore"- no shit, like he didn't even TRY to do that.
it came naturally, same as that suave-ass pose!

THANKS for posting this pic. made my f*cking day, man.

Beto 12-21-2011 07:36 AM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7707054_n.jpg

bwalsh 12-21-2011 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17562482)

That's one hell of a place to stop and work on your bike.:D

ricochetrider 12-21-2011 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwalsh (Post 17555498)

hey this cat can stand to lose a few pounds anyway... OK maybe he's not smart enough to just go on a diet, so he grinds off a couple here and there... gotta admire the *tough guy Harley rider* attitude if nothin else, man...

oh wait....

IheartmyNx 12-21-2011 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricochetrider (Post 17562472)
this dude's entire outfit is AMAZING, i mean like EVERYTHING matches. :eek1
wow, he obviously dresses himself, maybe doesn't even live at home anymore.... :clap
the way his gloves coordinate with that chin thingy on the helmet just KILLS me.
"that's just what he wore"- no shit, like he didn't even TRY to do that.
it came naturally, same as that suave-ass pose!

THANKS for posting this pic. made my f*cking day, man.


:rofl

And not a turtle shell "skid lid" in sight... What a wuss... Way to be rep-re-Zentin!

Beto 12-21-2011 08:52 AM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-beYsSDvXdT...0/img_4247.jpg

OaklandStrom 12-21-2011 09:04 AM

That cruiser sure has an interesting line into that corner.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17563018)


RxZ 12-21-2011 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OaklandStrom (Post 17563134)
That cruiser sure has an interesting line into that corner.

Slow and steady; he doesn't want to be cannibalized on the internet :thumb

Oh, and the pup on the red sport bike is having fun!

pretbek 12-21-2011 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17563018)

Yup, total fail, look at the terrible body position of that dog.

duck 12-21-2011 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17562482)

I wanna see the ones after that. Can't be a pretty dismount....

DougZ73 12-21-2011 09:09 AM

Gotta love Beto....he just posts the pictures, adds no commentary, and just sits back and watches the frenzy...likes sharks to chum. :lol3

klaviator 12-21-2011 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17562482)

They used a new formula to paint the double yellow line. It causes riders to fall off if they cross it.

That will teach those hooligans who disregard the double yellow.

:lol3

Beto 12-21-2011 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougZ73 (Post 17563185)
Gotta love Beto....he just posts the pictures, adds no commentary, and just sits back and watches the frenzy...likes sharks to chum. :lol3


Doug... you got it... :lurk

ErikY. 12-21-2011 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pretbek (Post 17563149)
Yup, total fail, look at the terrible body position of that dog.

Obviously a dirt-tracker.

lemieuxmc 12-21-2011 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17562482)

Hang off fail?

DougZ73 12-21-2011 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17563271)
Doug... you got it... :lurk

Started seeing the trend. :D Happy Holidays bud.

100mpg 12-21-2011 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pretbek (Post 17563149)
Yup, total fail, look at the terrible body position of that dog.

he's leaning the wrong way!

Beto 12-21-2011 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougZ73 (Post 17563375)
Started seeing the trend. :D Happily Holidays bud.


HAPPY HOLIDAYS to you and all inmates here :freaky

DougZ73 12-21-2011 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17563486)
HAPPY HOLIDAYS to you and all inmates here :freaky

ha ha...you quoted it before I fixed my typo. :lol3

Beto 12-21-2011 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougZ73 (Post 17563509)
ha ha...you quoted it before I fixed my typo. :lol3

Wonders of the interwebs... :wink:

Beto 12-21-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17562482)

Izzat a stoppie??? :norton

100mpg 12-21-2011 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17563306)
Hang off fail?

Anti Armour-All comercial.

"We all told chuck, Do NOT Armour-all the seat" But Chuck didn't listen...

bwalsh 12-21-2011 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17563635)
Izzat a droppie??? :norton

Fixed and yes it is. :D

scooteraug02 12-21-2011 11:29 AM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7707054_n.jpg

He was hanging out so much he over steered the corner and crossed the double yellow.

Beto 12-21-2011 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwalsh (Post 17563718)
Fixed and yes it is. :D

Not the guy checking the tire pressure but the other dude with the headlight out. Stoppie?

ibafran 12-21-2011 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duck (Post 17563179)
I wanna see the ones after that. Can't be a pretty dismount....

I have seen the pic before and several people told me that the guy 'saved' it. I yelled "BS" and asked for proof. None has been forthcoming so far?

DCrider 12-21-2011 01:20 PM

picking up the quarter the guy heading north dropped :lol3:rofl
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17562482)


lemieuxmc 12-21-2011 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibafran (Post 17564849)
I have seen the pic before and several people told me that the guy 'saved' it. I yelled "BS" and asked for proof. None has been forthcoming so far?

If that guy "saved it", it would only be in the same context that the U.S. Army famously claimed that they saved the Vietnamese village of Ben Tre from being overrun by the Communists... by leveling it with artillery fire and air strikes! :lol3

Bill Harris 12-21-2011 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k woo (Post 17557903)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LxZ4Mi3rR3...0/img_5713.jpg





.............might I suggest that the young lady should be SEVERELY spanked for risking her pretty neck in such a reckless manner. :evil

Yes! Yes! Let's all have a spanking...

http://monty-python-and-the-holy-gra...nd_winston.jpg

DCrider 12-21-2011 02:26 PM

Fail! not near enough starch in his sunday go to church...umm I mean badazz riding shirt :lol3
Quote:

Originally Posted by k woo (Post 17557903)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LxZ4Mi3rR3...0/img_5713.jpg





.............might I suggest that the young lady should be SEVERELY spanked for risking her pretty neck in such a reckless manner. :evil


IheartmyNx 12-21-2011 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatherX (Post 17443920)
video is your only hope for salivation :deal


sorry dude... But this'll have to do... Since I don't have a way to get video.

Not Killboy, what's a "track day", and filmed in front of a live studio chicken, on a dirty dingy and not even used parking lot...



http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...1_160644-1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...-21_160653.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...-21_160712.jpg

My old tire :lol3

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...-29_074240.jpg

Tuna Helper 12-21-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Harris (Post 17565403)
Yes! Yes! Let's all have a spanking...

http://monty-python-and-the-holy-gra...nd_winston.jpg

And after that, the oral sex!

rocker59 12-21-2011 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17565177)
If that guy "saved it", it would only be in the same context that the U.S. Army famously claimed that they saved the Vietnamese village of Ben Tre from being overrun by the Communists... by leveling it with artillery fire and air strikes! :lol3


Peter Arnett... A bunch of people believe he made up that quote... :deal

lemieuxmc 12-21-2011 08:07 PM

Who cares if it's accurate?

When a prominent international journalist like Peetah Ahrrnet reports live from the heart of a combat zone (or perhaps the bar of the Hotel Intercontinental) you simply accept it without question.

I'll bet you don't even trust Dan Rather!

By the way, what was the frequency Kenneth?

lemieuxmc 12-21-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IheartmyNx (Post 17565484)
sorry dude... But this'll have to do... Since I don't have a way to get video.

Not Killboy, what's a "track day", and filmed in front of a live studio chicken, on a dirty dingy and not even used parking lot...



http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...1_160644-1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...-21_160653.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...-21_160712.jpg

My old tire :lol3

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...-29_074240.jpg

It would have been nice if you placed a couple of orange cones to mark the spot where the SUV would be stopped.

Just sayin... :lol3

JimVonBaden 12-21-2011 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17568013)
It would have been nice if you placed a couple of orange cones to mark the spot where the SUV would be stopped.

Just sayin... :lol3

:photog

Jim :brow

rocker59 12-21-2011 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17567938)
By the way, what was the frequency Kenneth?

Though I do ride a Guzzi, I'm not really all that old, and I'm not trying to figure out the younger generation!

:lol3

O.C.F.RIDER 12-22-2011 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17568013)
It would have been nice if you placed a couple of orange cones to mark the spot where the SUV would be stopped.

Just sayin... :lol3

you don't mean this one...........
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/Image099.jpg
do you?
:D

devo2002 12-22-2011 06:01 AM

Iheart.....that was a pretty weak retort....

bwalsh 12-22-2011 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17564272)
Not the guy checking the tire pressure but the other dude with the headlight out. Stoppie?

:nah You can see the rear tire on the ground just to the right of the front tire.

IheartmyNx 12-22-2011 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17568013)
It would have been nice if you placed a couple of orange cones to mark the spot where the SUV would be stopped.

Just sayin... :lol3


yar yar...:lol3

TBT, it is EXCELLENT practice for high-siding. I had a car pull out in front of me about a week ago. Got on the brakes and the back came around. No sweat tho b/c it was familiar territory.

Practicing, I've almost had it get away about 3 times... Just held on and saved it. And a few while just out and goofing off.

One was so violent my foot came off the peg. Just kept counter-steering and layed it further down... When it caught it just stood up...

Prolly gave the car ahead looking at me a heart attack tho.

workerant 12-22-2011 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc (Post 17506622)
If you aren't grinding hard parts on a modern bike, then hanging off is an affectation (kind of like assless chaps, a leather vest, fingerless gloves and handlebar tassles).

This is incorrect. Hanging off the bike decreases the bike's lean angle and the traction demands on the tire. Even if you aren't dragging hard parts, decreasing the amount of traction you're using frees up traction, which might enable a rider to make direction or speed changes while leaned over that would otherwise cause a crash.

It's also a good thing to practice correct form so it becomes muscle memory when you need it.

TL;DR: hanging off increases available traction, which enables evasive maneuvers. Also, it's good practice.

outlaws justice 12-22-2011 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by workerant (Post 17571298)
this is incorrect. Hanging off the bike decreases the bike's lean angle and the traction demands on the tire. Even if you aren't dragging hard parts, decreasing the amount of traction you're using frees up traction, which might enable a rider to make direction or speed changes while leaned over that would otherwise cause a crash.

It's also a good thing to practice correct form so it becomes muscle memory when you need it.

Tl;dr: Hanging off increases available traction, which enables evasive maneuvers. Also, it's good practice.

+10

bimmerx2 12-22-2011 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by workerant (Post 17571298)
This is incorrect. Hanging off the bike decreases the bike's lean angle and the traction demands on the tire. Even if you aren't dragging hard parts, decreasing the amount of traction you're using frees up traction, which might enable a rider to make direction or speed changes while leaned over that would otherwise cause a crash.

It's also a good thing to practice correct form so it becomes muscle memory when you need it.

TL;DR: hanging off increases available traction, which enables evasive maneuvers. Also, it's good practice.

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Originally Posted by outlaws justice (Post 17571317)
+10

Round 2 begins...

klaviator 12-22-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by workerant (Post 17571298)
This is incorrect. Hanging off the bike decreases the bike's lean angle and the traction demands on the tire. Even if you aren't dragging hard parts, decreasing the amount of traction you're using frees up traction, which might enable a rider to make direction or speed changes while leaned over that would otherwise cause a crash.

It's also a good thing to practice correct form so it becomes muscle memory when you need it.

TL;DR: hanging off increases available traction, which enables evasive maneuvers. Also, it's good practice.

Hanging off does not decrease traction demands on the tire. For a given speed and turn radius the lateral forces are the same regardless of the lean angle of the bike. Depending on your tires profile you may or may not get a little more rubber on the road by hanging off.

This is not to say that hanging off or shifting weight to the inside does not have other benefits. The biggest benefit is increased clearance. For bikes with limited cornering clearance hanging off will help prevent parts from dragging. On a modern sport bike with good cornering clearance it will provide an extra margin of clearance. Hanging off also decreases steering effort.

Just a guess here but hanging off probably increases your chances of a ticket just because you will look like you are going faster. I've come around corners on many occasions while going well above the limit only to see a LEO sitting there. I have mostly been ignored.....probably because I was sitting upright and riding a quiet bike.

I have owned many bikes. On some I found that hanging off allowed me to go significantly faster (FJ1100, EX500, Venture 1100, Super 8 150). My SV650 seemed easier to ride fast if I didn't hang off. On my dual sports it doesn't seem to make much difference although I do sometime shift my weight a little to prevent hard parts from dragging.

Thinc2 12-22-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by klaviator (Post 17571628)
Hanging off does not decrease traction demands on the tire. For a given speed and turn radius the lateral forces are the same regardless of the lean angle of the bike. Depending on your tires profile you may or may not get a little more rubber on the road by hanging off.

This is not to say that hanging off or shifting weight to the inside does not have other benefits. The biggest benefit is increased clearance. For bikes with limited cornering clearance hanging off will help prevent parts from dragging. On a modern sport bike with good cornering clearance it will provide an extra margin of clearance. Hanging off also decreases steering effort.

Just a guess here but hanging off probably increases your chances of a ticket just because you will look like you are going faster. I've come around corners on many occasions while going well above the limit only to see a LEO sitting there. I have mostly been ignored.....probably because I was sitting upright and riding a quiet bike.

I have owned many bikes. On some I found that hanging off allowed me to go significantly faster (FJ1100, EX500, Venture 1100, Super 8 150). My SV650 seemed easier to ride fast if I didn't hang off. On my dual sports it doesn't seem to make much difference although I do sometime shift my weight a little to prevent hard parts from dragging.


So you are saying that assuming the steering is not an issue, the only reason for hanging off is to avoid dragging parts. Therefore, if you are not going to drag parts, there is no point in hanging off at all - yes?

I'm not a big hanger offer, but I'm not a fast rider either.

klaviator 12-22-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinc2 (Post 17571678)
So you are saying that assuming the steering is not an issue, the only reason for hanging off is to avoid dragging parts. Therefore, if you are not going to drag parts, there is no point in hanging off at all - yes?

I'm not a big hanger offer, but I'm not a fast rider either.

In my experience, the biggest factors in going fast on a curvy road are rider skill, knowledge of the road and confidence. If you are worried about running out of clearance, you won't have as much confidence. I have dragged hard parts on every bike I have owned except for pure dirt bikes. Second, at least for me, if it takes a lot of effort to steer the bike, confidence will go down.

As an example. My FJ100 had limited cornering clearance and heavy steering. Hanging off was essential to going fast.

My SV650 on the other hand just felt better if I didn't hang off although I did occasionally scrape the pegs.

I don't normally hang off anymore although I will shift my weight slightly to the inside. I did take my Super 8 to Deals Gap and had to hang off some because it has such limited cornering clearance.

I did a California Superbike school. Someone asked Keith Code about hanging off and he said to do whatever you where comfortable with.

Bottom line is that the usefullness of hanging off really depends on the bike and the rider.

anotherguy 12-22-2011 11:38 AM


car94 12-22-2011 01:15 PM

I am new to this thread can someone tell me what crashes at TOTD has to do with lean angle, hanging off or knee dragging. If I could figure out how the jack pics off of 129photos I would try and get this back on track. Holy shit wheres the Tylenol?:D:norton

lemieuxmc 12-22-2011 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaws justice (Post 17571317)
+10

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7707054_n.jpg

+10 on crashing form! Not too many style points for getting around that corner successfully though. Obviously he is going way faster than the bike could possibly handle that curve if it was being ridden by the late Mike Hailwood.

BUBB 12-22-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ritalin Boy (Post 17556725)
I heard John Cooper was the first to hang off.

http://www.blondeel.be/News_Article_-_JOHN_COOPER1.jpg

I'd say that chances are we'll never know for sure who was the first.

Interesting that he's hanging off a bit but his lean angle seems to be more than the guy who's not.... ???

lemieuxmc 12-22-2011 01:45 PM

1. He's going faster than the guy BEHIND him?

2. Ago is gaining on him and is coming up from behind to pass him on the inside WITHOUT hanging off?

3. He's deeper into the corner than the guy behind him?

4. If we could teleport an R6 back in time to him, he probably wouldn't hang off the thing very much at all.

devo2002 12-22-2011 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by car94 (Post 17572504)
I am new to this thread can someone tell me what crashes at TOTD has to do with lean angle, hanging off or knee dragging. If I could figure out how the jack pics off of 129photos I would try and get this back on track. Holy shit wheres the Tylenol?:D:norton

Tell us about it, they simply wont shut up and have the same arguments every few pages.

O.C.F.RIDER 12-22-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.C.F.RIDER (Post 17569369)
you don't mean this one...........
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/Image099.jpg
do you?
:D

BBWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! :poser
Guess you couldn't take looking at the picture any more. :jack
Don't worry, it's burned into our memories. :jack

IheartmyNx 12-22-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.C.F.RIDER (Post 17572894)
BBWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! :poser
Guess you couldn't take looking at the picture any more. :jack
Don't worry, it's burned into our memories. :jack


Aweeee... I took away the one thing perfect little bitty baby had to tease me over. What will I do?

you would have thought it got old after the 100th time you posted it... but turns out you're as good as posting that pic as you are at telling others how to ride and how perfect you are at it.


Where's your Kryptonite at, Superwoman?

klaviator 12-22-2011 02:55 PM

More Hanging off

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...7d6GWhjyNSR4BQ

Showing off

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...EbfxD_GJYizjyA

.

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...PJ5dX3Df59JSLQ

And really hanging off

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...MYWjQg9BRNR97Q

Bald Kirk 12-22-2011 05:01 PM

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...rk/vfrlean.jpg

100 yards to the outhouse by Willie Makeit!

rocker59 12-22-2011 05:47 PM

No. He looks done to me.

Anymore photos of that one?

enduro0125 12-22-2011 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bald Kirk (Post 17574108)

100 yards to the outhouse by Willie Makeit!

Betty Wont.

(none) 12-22-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rocker59 (Post 17574421)
No. He looks done to me.

Anymore photos of that one?

Nah, he maintained. I've seen the series before.

Boon Booni 12-22-2011 06:13 PM

It ain't the dragon, but it could have happened there...

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ER70S-2 12-22-2011 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.C.F.RIDER (Post 17572894)
BBWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! :poser
Guess you couldn't take looking at the picture any more. :jack
Don't worry, it's burned into our memories. :jack

:augie

http://er70s-2.smugmug.com/Motorcycl...mage0991-L.jpg

:amazon

:lurk

100mpg 12-22-2011 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by car94 (Post 17572504)
I am new to this thread can someone tell me what crashes at TOTD has to do with lean angle, hanging off or knee dragging. If I could figure out how the jack pics off of 129photos I would try and get this back on track. Holy shit wheres the Tylenol?:D:norton

HA! Hey kids anyone thirsty? :lol3

anotherguy 12-22-2011 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ER70S-2 (Post 17574853)

Guess I wasn't paying attention. Wassup?

DAKEZ 12-22-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17574614)
It ain't the dragon, but it could have happened there...

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Ouch! Not a riding method I would practice or recommend. :nah


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