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zDollar Bill 10-09-2011 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17039427)
Did you watch the video, did you hear a downshift? The motor speeds just keeps dropping steadily until it revs a touch during the crash. No downshift that I could tell.

He blamed his crash on a downshift that didn't happen and "slick" asphalt because it was new. :topes

Atleast he finally got the right answer at the end. "i think over-confidence and a lack of experience were primary factors in this case"
Watch the hand on the clutch, he pulls clutch then revs engine before he lets out clutch. Thats how they downshift. ??
Thats what I seen.

Boon Booni 10-09-2011 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by zDollar Bill (Post 17039497)
Watch the hand on the clutch, he pulls clutch then revs engine before he lets out clutch. Thats how they downshift. ??
Thats what I seen.
All I see is a handful of clutch and the rear is already waggin, the RPM's never stop dropping so he doesn't let the clutch out nor blip the throttle.

He panicked, grabbed the clutch, hit the rear brake and drove the bike off the road.

zDollar Bill 10-09-2011 10:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17039515)
All I see is a handful of clutch and the rear is already waggin, the RPM's never stop dropping so he doesn't let the clutch out nor blip the throttle.

He panicked, grabbed the clutch, hit the rear brake and drove the bike off the road.
At the 3 second mark he blips the throttle after he pulls in clutch.

zDollar Bill 10-09-2011 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by UncleDirt (Post 17038836)
No spurs on the cowboy boots...

Boon Booni 10-09-2011 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zDollar Bill (Post 17039541)
At the 3 second mark he blips the throttle after he pulls in clutch.
I see what your talking about, the sound happens at the same time he pulls the clutch in. I don't think that's a throttle blip, cause after that sound the motor has clearly not been revved up. To me it sounds more like running over rumple strip, though I don't think that's what it was. :dunno

IheartmyNx 10-09-2011 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by zDollar Bill (Post 17039558)
No spurs on the cowboy boots...

I can't tell for sure, but dollars to doughnuts, that's the "Speeders" Douchebag...:rofl

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Aussijussi 10-10-2011 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Reryder (Post 17038574)
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Video posted on another forum (not by me!). Rider's description of what happened below:

"coming down 'the 152 curves' on the 89 other side of jerome. i was riding way too aggressive on an unfamiliar road and not paying attention to the actual road surface.

asphalt was new so still pretty smooth/slick and the rear broke loose on downshift and came out. i was not going to get it back so i got on the front brakes as well and counter steered for the soft-er stuff. got it down to 20mph before it left the road.

at least that is the way i remember it. it happened pretty darn quick.

i regularly take corners like this at 35mph with complete confidence but all of my canyon carving experience has been on mature surfaces.

i think over-confidence and a lack of experience were primary factors in this case.


i was geared up, no injuries (just sore), moderate non-fatal damage to the bike. duct tape, a coat hanger and some redneck engineering prevented this spill from terminating a 400 mile ride for 3 people halfway in.

patched up the bike and finished the second 200 miles with no further incidents.

pics of the damage and roadside redneck engineering to follow.

OK guys, i am ready to take my lumps - fire away."
You have to lean the bike to go around them bends mate!

Thinc2 10-10-2011 12:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17039515)
All I see is a handful of clutch and the rear is already waggin, the RPM's never stop dropping so he doesn't let the clutch out nor blip the throttle.

He panicked, grabbed the clutch, hit the rear brake and drove the bike off the road.
Actually, once he had decided he was not going to make the corner, I think he did the right thing to ride off the road. That's a lot better than hitting that guard rail.

Benc1985 10-10-2011 05:02 AM
Nice tyre.

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Originally Posted by UncleDirt (Post 17038836)

PFFOG 10-10-2011 05:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Booni (Post 17039515)
All I see is a handful of clutch and the rear is already waggin, the RPM's never stop dropping so he doesn't let the clutch out nor blip the throttle.

He panicked, grabbed the clutch, hit the rear brake and drove the bike off the road.

That is how i see it too, plus TERRIBLE lines, he finished the rh bend in the middle of the lane, then drifted to the center line and apexing BEFORE he even reached the corner. Classic panic/target fixation accident. I do not agree the did the right thing going off the road, an accident is an accident.

(none) 10-10-2011 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Benc1985 (Post 17040424)
Nice tyre.
when you wear all the way through the belts you get more rubber!!

gelandestrasse 10-10-2011 07:38 AM
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wallache 10-10-2011 07:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reryder (Post 17038574)
Video posted on another forum (not by me!). Rider's description of what happened below:

"coming down 'the 152 curves' on the 89 other side of jerome. i was riding way too aggressive on an unfamiliar road and not paying attention to the actual road surface.

asphalt was new so still pretty smooth/slick and the rear broke loose on downshift and came out. i was not going to get it back so i got on the front brakes as well and counter steered for the soft-er stuff. got it down to 20mph before it left the road.

at least that is the way i remember it. it happened pretty darn quick.

i regularly take corners like this at 35mph with complete confidence but all of my canyon carving experience has been on mature surfaces.

i think over-confidence and a lack of experience were primary factors in this case.


i was geared up, no injuries (just sore), moderate non-fatal damage to the bike. duct tape, a coat hanger and some redneck engineering prevented this spill from terminating a 400 mile ride for 3 people halfway in.

patched up the bike and finished the second 200 miles with no further incidents.

pics of the damage and roadside redneck engineering to follow.

OK guys, i am ready to take my lumps - fire away."
He had to "lay her down" 'cause the new asphalt was too smooth and grippy? :lol3 The "new" asphalt on US89 is way better than the old rough stuff it replaced.

Ogre_fl 10-10-2011 08:00 AM
If its anyone's fault for a crash...its always the Ass Fault

slowoldguy 10-10-2011 08:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinc2 (Post 17039805)
Actually, once he had decided he was not going to make the corner, I think he did the right thing to ride off the road. That's a lot better than hitting that guard rail.
I think there were more than two choices here. I didn't see at as "go off the road" or "hit the guardrail". I saw a third alternative as get back on the gas (off the brakes or off the engine braking) and lean that bitch. Now, I agree completely about his atrocious line but that choice had already been made. :eek1

Back many years ago (heading to the races in Henderson , Texas in a very mixed group) I saw a GSXR 750 run through a barbed wire fence on a similar corner while following a Guzzi with a sidecar. I was two bikes behind him. He "decided he was not going to make the corner". He stood the bike straight up and slammed on the binders and rode it straight off the road. The Guzzi made it easy. Now that's a sight that will stick with you for a lifetime.


But, maybe with sound this video would "look" different to me. With the limited data I have , I really think he could have made that corner even with his shitty line.


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