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slowoldguy 10-10-2011 11:54 AM

Good God. I've got to stop watching these videos. I ain't God's gift to cornering but WTF? Please tell me there was fine silt in that corner. Jeebus.

XR650L_Dave 10-10-2011 11:59 AM

Countersteering- good.

Counterleaning- bad.


Dave

gelandestrasse 10-10-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duck (Post 17042498)
Here's one posted over on Pashnit:

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/30246602?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/30246602">Honda CBR 954RR CRASH</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user7535610">Jdog 109socal</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

The rider walked away.:eek1

:nono

That's not Deals Gap. If you want to start a West Coast Failfest thread there's plenty of material.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rlMbFlPzS24" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Now, back to our regularly scheduled Deals Gap failfest...

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1223862_n.jpg

outlaws justice 10-10-2011 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAKEZ (Post 17041883)
On most bikes I would agree BUTů He is on a Softail so his poor choice of line did NOT allow for the "get back on the gas" option. He would have pivoted his tires off the ground and slid into the Guardrail.

The lean angle on the bike was likely about 25 deg. before hitting hard parts. Softails are boulevard cruisers and NOT meant for twisties with pilots that do not know how to ride (and the limits of the bike)

I do agree that heavy crusiers have a lot less ground clearance, and because of that it is even more important to use good body position to make up for it. The only time to give up trying is AFTER you crash, up until that point there is still a chance to make the turn.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...6111704122.jpg

outlaws justice 10-10-2011 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowoldguy (Post 17042666)
Good God. I've got to stop watching these videos. I ain't God's gift to cornering but WTF? Please tell me there was fine silt in that corner. Jeebus.

Watch the video close, he actually counter leans, making the bike drag parts it should never be dragging, even the bike behind him had no problem at that speed, His skills are very lacking.

Barry 10-10-2011 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duck (Post 17042498)
Here's one posted over on Pashnit:

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/30246602?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/30246602">Honda CBR 954RR CRASH</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user7535610">Jdog 109socal</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

The rider walked away.:eek1

His entry SUUUUUUUCKED.... truly crappy line and lane position.

ttpete 10-10-2011 12:49 PM

A little earlier, and he could have gone over the railing and into the ravine......

Low Down 10-10-2011 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaws justice (Post 17042928)
Watch the video close, he actually counter leans, making the bike drag parts it should never be dragging, even the bike behind him had no problem at that speed, His skills are very lacking.


Looks to me like his right foot makes contact with the road and it makes him panic... :puke1

car94 10-10-2011 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outlaws justice (Post 17042928)
Watch the video close, he actually counter leans, making the bike drag parts it should never be dragging, even the bike behind him had no problem at that speed, His skills are very lacking.

He was center on the seat and his head and shoulders were leaning back to center his set up and entry are way off and he is flat footed on the pegs. Looks like me at the track, the difference is I do it at the track. No rock walls to hit!

outlaws justice 10-10-2011 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by car94 (Post 17043246)
He was center on the seat and his head and shoulders were leaning back to center his set up and entry are way off and he is flat footed on the pegs. Looks like me at the track, the difference is I do it at the track. No rock walls to hit!

Do a still frame, his upper body is about 15 degrees to the left of the center line of the bike as he starts the turn, You can also see his foot position, he is not on the balls of his feet and his foot is dragging.

duck 10-10-2011 01:44 PM

Back to The Dragon:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eEsy-Diq5O...0/img_3054.jpg

spagthorpe 10-10-2011 01:51 PM

I don't even see him lose it exactly. I think he went in too hot, and was more afraid to push it further, fixated, and went into the wall. Thankfully nobody was coming the other way, more for their safety than his.

No point in an East vs West comparison. Both have plenty of stupid. I guess the biggest difference is that a lot of the cruiser crowd on the West coast tends to stay away from the hot sportbike areas. They seem content to hit the bar on the outskirts and stay there.

JimVonBaden 10-10-2011 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry (Post 17042950)
His entry SUUUUUUUCKED.... truly crappy line and lane position.

He stopped riding it after he crossed the line. Crappy just about everything. Looked like target fixation to me.

Jim :brow

Patrol 10-10-2011 02:14 PM

+1 what JVB said. Looks like his attention shifts to the classic Corvette and people and on the opposite shoulder and he rode where he looked.

EKIN 10-10-2011 03:02 PM

Classic O Shit Moment.:eek1


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