Originally Posted by 390beretta (Post 17692406)

Well Trash Can, all I can say is what I said before: Why the hell would you ride it? Why not do a track day instead? Again, especially given all the tragedies due to the uncontrolled environent, not to mention all the Idiots who give it a go?

Originally Posted by 390beretta (Post 17692406)

Well Trash Can, all I can say is what I said before: Why the hell would you ride it? Why not do a track day instead? Again, especially given all the tragedies due to the uncontrolled environent, not to mention all the Idiots who give it a go?

Originally Posted by Stonefly (Post 17692220)

Dumb question: If/when a rider in this situation does scrape the luggage, what does it feel like to the rider? This guy has a lot more skill than I do, and I've never been leaned over that far, with or without panniers. My gut tells me that if you lean over far enough to scrape the panniers, then there's going to be a lot of unwanted input from the back end. Will it cause you to lose control and crash? Does the bike just keep on going while the panniers get chewed up? Obviously I have a lot to learn.

Originally Posted by Jamie Z (Post 17694031)

This is on the Dragon.

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I scraped both side cases without incident. In fact, I hadn't even known they touched down until afterward when I looked at them and each side case had a corner worn off. :eek1 I never felt or heard the plastic sliding on the pavement.

As you can see from the pic, I (also) touched my footpegs to the ground, which I suppose unconsciously stopped me from going any farther over.

Here is what happens when you lever your rear tire on the side cases. This is not the Dragon, but another road in TN. That's my dad and a buddy in the background.

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If you look, that's not the stock Strom footpeg. Just before this trip I changed to a little more aggressive pegs which did not have feelers on them. Riding along this curvy road, I got over pretty far a few times and never touched down. Then suddenly one time (at about 15 mph around this tight hairpin) the bike spun out from under me. I only remember hearing the engine rev slightly and then I was on the ground. Truth is, I can't put together how the bike ended up in the orientation in the above photo. No damage to me or the bike.

And for Dragon fails, here's mine:

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My first trip to the Dragon on my ST1100. I was fairly inexperienced at that time. Around a right-hander, not going too fast. A car coming the opposite direction distracted me and made me panic, applying the brakes hard enough to lock up the rear.

What was funny to me is that the bike continued on its own and ended up on the inside of the bend with hardly a scratch. A couple other riders stopped to help me pick it up. I remember a (fairly attractive) woman wearing a tanktop and shorts expressing her surprise that I wasn't hurt at all. I was wearing full gear. Her male companion helped me and she wanted a picture of my with my bike afterward because she was so amazed that I came out ok.

Jamie

Originally Posted by DrLewall (Post 17694360)

:wave

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Originally Posted by MacNoob (Post 17690321)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5vFxXLtsw6...0/img_7725.jpg



"Note to self: Left lever CLUTCH. Right lever BRAKE."

Originally Posted by scooteraug02 (Post 17684447)

I have seen a lot of GS/GSAs riding like this, me too probably. So from what the experts say the bike should be more up right with the rider leaning off to make it turn with less bank angle. BMW turns so good though.


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Originally Posted by Beto (Post 17620345)

Originally Posted by DrLewall (Post 17694360)

:wave

Originally Posted by GoGo Gadget (Post 17695040)

Wrong thread.

Originally Posted by Aussijussi (Post 17695413)

He is doing ok, ready to swing into the next turn, without having to climb all over the bike.

Originally Posted by Mambo Dave (Post 17685332)

That would be the theory / case if the rider wasn't crossed-up, which is what I believe PT is referring to.

Before PT Rider mentioned it I was taking a good look at the very same in that photo. I was trying to determine if it's a funtion of the seating position and wide bars that are making him do that, or if it's as PT suggests - that the rider isn't really putting his body off like he should. One comment, though - PT suggests that it takes training, where-as I wasn't trained to do it, it was just an end-product to doing what I had to at the race track (with a ZX-7R) and some roads to corner and get the max out of the bike. Some people ride crossed-up, some don't, and I guess some need training to avoid it and some don't. I guess it's also safe to say that some people don't know what crossed-up leaning even is?

Originally Posted by DAKEZ (Post 17695745)

Keyword "ok" Yes, it looks like he is having a good ride.

The bike has more lean than his torso and he would benefit from tucking his right shoulder lower.

When getting close to grinding hard parts every degree of angle matters. A slight difference in the upper body could be the difference between sliding down the pavement and riding away with a grin.