It seems that you fail to grasp the difference between taking personal risk, and being a public hazard.

in the ditch, over the bank, on their ass, under a car, into another bike, hood ornament on a truck. :lol3

Was that supposed to be a cheap shot to the ones on here who don't agree with you? You are going to have to do WAY better than that son.



Correct. Your guess. MY guess is the sport bike rider is a young Dumb azz invincible noob who can't even complete a simple pass without running into the ditch.:muutt

Another fix! :evil

Obviously that one little road scares the piss out of you...

I will agree anybody who knowingly places themselves in a bad situation and then complains about it is using poor judgment, but what about the folks that live in the area and need to use these roads? What about the riders who have the same attitude where ever and when ever they ride?

It all goes back to the question of why does the desire of the few who want to go fast trump all other motorists desires? And why are they alone exempt from modifying their behavior?

If we are talking about law-breaking, as opposed to rational, reasonable riding, then let us hope that the accusers have never had a traffic law infraction. This would mean not going 66mph on the highway, ALWAYS using blinkers, full stops at stop signs, not passing on the right, never lane splitting, never filtering, and any other archaic legislation that we can dig up.

Rather than discuss "reasonable motorcycling" in terms of legality, let's try to discuss it in terms of what is and isn't reasonable to rational human beings, regardless of what the law says. It's the same reasonable thought that lets us all speed in a fun set of twisties or roll through a stop sign in a desolate area.

I am not defending people who make stupid choices (squid passing in a blind corner). I am just suggesting some people here stop acting like a bunch of "thou must never break any laws ever" sissies, and rationally consider different circumstances.

The rules of the road might be the same at Deal's Gap as they are on I95 in your home city. However, a RATIONAL motorcyclst would understand that normal, considerate behavior might be different in that particular environment.

I went with hazard because their bad choices can and do result in the injury and death of innocent victims.

I was discussing basic common sense and here we are seven pages later... :lol3


True. I retract that "fix".

Laws are not intended to be perfect or cover every conceivable circumstance, they are intended to provide the safe, uniform, flow of traffic by all users, at all times, in all places. I have never seen a traffic sign or traffic code that says "if you feel like it".

Nobody is perfect and I don't think anybody is suggesting uncompromising observance of all laws at all times. It is the few who demand the right to do what they want, when they want, and won't accept the possibility of occasional inconvenience or legal consequence.

Again, the 2 questions many are asking, that no one is answering,

Why does the desire to go fast trump all others desires?

Why should those who choose to go fast be exempt from changing their behavior also?

Despite all the posturing I suspect most here will allow someone faster to pass and can also pass a slower rider safely with a modicum of control. I really don't find this a common problem when I ride. Then again I go out of my way to avoid crowded roads. Other than being able to say "I rode the dragon," why would anyone want to ride such an overcrowded piece of asphalt? There are plenty of fantastic rides that aren't overpopulated.
I still stand by my position though that if you can't control your bike well enough to stay in your lane, then you are an :asshat

Dozens of times. Sometimes I pass people. Sometimes people pass me. With very little fanfare.

Who said I was breaking any laws?? If you are the type that frequently finds traffic catching you, chances are you cannot ride most twisty technical roads AT the speed limit, and specifically at the GAP, I bet there are some of the 200 or so corners (yes 200, count yourself, 311 is a BIG stretch) at MUCH below the limit. Meaning at 35 MPH, I am not breaking ANY laws, but still traveling faster than you.

Maybe I learned to be courteous at a young age, and expect everyone else to do the same...............guess I have too much faith in the human race......sigh........

Passing in no passing zones is legal?

I rarely have trouble with faster or slower folks, I try to maintain a harmonious relationship with the road and other motorists rather than force an extreme ether way. Whats the point of riding if it's an exercise in frustration? Wouldn't that be a hint as to where the real problem is?

Courtesy is something to be accepted graciously, never demanded.

and again,
Why does the desire to go fast trump all others desires?

Why should those who choose to go fast be exempt from changing their behavior also?

If you go to a crack house and get mugged or shot at, I'm of the opinion it's partly your fault. You knew what you were getting into.

I'm not saying it's "right", but you made an informed decision to go there and knew the possible consequences.

If you want to ride a road where there isn't going to be an extraordinary ratio of asshats per mile, there are hundreds of miles of roads in NC, WV, TN, GA and VA that are just as good or nearly as good, and you'll almost always have them to yourself.

I think we're all ignoring the most important aspect of this...cheap parted out crash bikes and possible street fighters on Ebay:lol3