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dbarale 11-16-2011 09:15 AM

DR350 supermoto project on a KLR budget
 
So I’ve had motard envy for a while now, going on 15 years. The fact that the roads around here are perfect for them and that a bunch of local inmates ride them didn’t help a bit…
But I’m also broke so buying one was not an option. I thought about converting my little XR250R but I like it too much the way it is.
A friend of mine offered me a deal I couldn’t refuse on his old DR350S. So I ended up with this, meet Number 6:

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The good: it has some aftermarket goodies like Vortex airbox, FMF exhaust, zombie proof skidplate, and the suspension feels like it has been reworked at some point and the stickers on the fork are not just there for show.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB140302.jpg


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The bad: the bike is an absolute bitch to start and it has been thoroughly abused by a gang of drunken rednecks. It looks like hell, the wiring is a mess, etc. Also the top end is making lots of scary noises (like marbles in a tin can).
So the plan is to turn this into a low cost supermotard using a lot of elbow grease and not a lot of $$$$$. I first intended to lace another 18” rim on the front hub and run 18” street tires front and rear but I found out that Katana/GS500 rims will be cheaper and allow me to run 17” rubber and a bigger front brake. So that’s the new plan but we’re not there yet…
First I wanted to check the engine and make sure that the project was viable. Step one was checking the cam chain tensioner. Sure enough it was completely extended, so the chain is stretched and needs to be replaced. I’m actually quite happy about that as it could be the reason for the top end noise and partially responsible for the hard starting.


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Step two: off with the valve cover to take a look at the cam and journals. I was really scared at this point because a trashed head would mean the end of the project. Let’s see…

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Well, looks great!


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So the rockers are a little marked, probably form the valves being overly tight at some point. But it doesn’t look too bad. It will have to do. So now the plan for the engine is: valve lap, valve stem seals, take a peak at the bore and maybe a light hone and rings if needed (best case scenario). Next step will be to take the clutch cover off to look at the other side of the timing chain, clutch basket and shift fork bolt…
I had a few hours left so I started the disassembly:

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Bike in a box and end of day one.

Feedback, comments, and "WTF are you doing" are welcomed...

Lambo 11-16-2011 11:02 AM

Good Project
 
This is gong to be interesting, good on ya.

tim007 11-16-2011 03:55 PM

nice find .. im going to be doing the same to mine soon so i will be watching this thread like a hawk.......... sweet vortex airbox i want one so bad

dbarale 11-16-2011 05:13 PM

Shopping list so far (no doubt that it will grow). :deal

Needed:
- full gasket set
- timing chain
- GS500 wheels and appropriate tires
- mirror

Wanted:
- XR style tailight
- SM front fender
- factory clutch perch and lever (the ratio on this one seems to be all wrong)
- maybe a lighter skidplate (any suggestions?)
- SS front brake line
- fork brace

PineyMountainRacing 11-16-2011 05:21 PM

Bike looks familiar, was it Allen's?

Can't beat a DR350 or a DRZ as a 'tard
Good luck, I'll be watching the conversion.

PMR

rubberband 11-16-2011 05:27 PM

nice project... clutch pull on my bike is super light. I have one of these http://kientech.com/Billetaluminumclutcharm.htm

rockjunkie 11-16-2011 05:34 PM

"WTF are you doing!?" <obligatory></obligatory>

dbarale 11-16-2011 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PineyMountainRacing (Post 17319679)
Bike looks familiar, was it Allen's?
PMR

Technicaly, it still is... I hope he doesn't change his mind as it would suck to have to put it all back together. :D

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Originally Posted by rockjunkie (Post 17319770)
"WTF are you doing!?" <OBLIGATORY></OBLIGATORY>

Obviously I have no clue, otherwise I wouldn't have started this project.

dbarale 11-16-2011 06:47 PM

I only had a couple of hours to work on the bike today so I didn't get much done. I drained the oil, removed the in-frame oil screen and took out the clutch cover. I thought it would be easier to break the clutch basket nut loose with the engine in the frame. Turns out I didn't need to worry as the nut was only finger tight and the only thing holding it was the bent lockwasher...

The shifter fork bolt had not backed out but was definitely not torqued to spec. It will be done later with Loctite and a torque wrench.

The cam chain is even worse than I thought. In the following pic the tensioner is back in and fully extended. The chain is completely slack!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB160310.jpg


I need to push the guide at least another 1/4" to get the chain to tighten up.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB160311.jpg

And in this one you can see what appears to be the only damage, a little rubb spot where the botom of the guide has been rattling against the case.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB160312.jpg


Could someone tell me if the kickstart spring look OK? It looks weird to me but I do not know what it's supposed to look like.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB160313.jpg


And then I did a little more disassembly. Next step, carb and head come off...

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB160315.jpg

Strombony 11-18-2011 05:04 AM

replace timing chain guides
 
good luck with the project, dr's are great bikes.
make sure to replace the timing chain guides.
i've had a few dr's and i've seen the front one break,
so while yer in there at least replace the front one.

matt

dbarale 11-19-2011 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strombony (Post 17330262)
good luck with the project, dr's are great bikes.
make sure to replace the timing chain guides.
i've had a few dr's and i've seen the front one break,
so while yer in there at least replace the front one.

matt

Yep, you were right... Update coming.

dbarale 11-19-2011 03:27 PM

So I found another three hours to work on this project today. I did more teardown which resulted in this:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190318.jpg


.... and this:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190319.jpg

I had a few surprises during teardown. Found out the suspension linkage had some major play (1/2" or so). Mostly because of this:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190316.jpg

The needle bearing has never been grased and gave up. This cause the hem joint to get beat up. There is a good 1/8" of play in it now, you can kinda see it in this close up:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190317.jpg

The swingarm bushings also seemed to have a little play but I had already loosened up the axle at that point so I'll have to take a better look at it before I order any parts.
Another surprise was that the steering head bearings were a little dry but otherwise fine. They will be cleaned, repacked, tightened up and should last for a good while longer. I was prepared to replace them...

So now back to the engine. I had a little scare with one of the head bolts. Would not come out even with an impact wrench. It eventually came out with the big breaker bar but I was really expecting it to snap. Turns out the threads were really dry and had a little bit of corrosion. I may use a dab of anti-seize on reassembly.
In the end:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190320.jpg

Not too bad, definitely burning some oil. I'm guessing valve stem seals as the piston looks good. Didn't get a chance to take the valves out yet. I'm still hoping that the seats are not completely worn out. Wishful thinking...

The cylinder looks OK, no scoring but I see some glazing. Might be ovalized too. Again, still hoping that a light hone and rings will be enough:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190322.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190323.jpg

Finally, I took a look at the cam chain guides. The rear one (tensioner side) is fine but the front one has started to break down and will have to be replaced. Bad pic sorry, damage is about half way up:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/PB190321.jpg

That's it for today. Shopping list is growing...

dbarale 11-19-2011 03:31 PM

Updated shopping list:

Needed:
- full gasket set
- timing chain
- GS500 front wheel
- tires
- mirror
- front cam chain guide
- suspension linkage needle bearing and hem joint
- seat cover

Wanted:
- XR style tailight
- SM front fender
- factory clutch perch and lever (the ratio on this one seems to be all wrong)
- maybe a lighter skidplate (any suggestions?)
- SS front brake line
- fork brace

boardrider247 11-19-2011 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarale (Post 17340306)
Updated shopping list:

Needed:
- GS500 wheels and appropriate tires


I've got a set of GS 500 wheels with brand new tires I would be willing to let go. I bought them for a similar project but I could use the cash at the moment.

Tires are 110/70/17 and 140/70/17 bridgestone BT 003's

PM me if you would be interested.

Good luck

dbarale 11-21-2011 08:24 AM

Scored a rear wheel on Ebay. $27 shipped with sprocket, cush hub, and rotor! :clap

Also removed the valves yesterday, not much carbon deposits but lots of soft oil burn residue. Looks like one of the exhaust valves maybe bent too.
Piston also came out and looks good but I will take everything to a friend to get it measured and see what is out of spec. I'll update with some pics soon...


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