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c.vestal 06-21-2012 10:38 AM

Rally Navigation Roadbook Creation
 
Title of the thread says it all.
Spin off from the Rally Navigation roadbook photo thread.


I will keep this first post updated with time saving links as we roll on.

HogWild 06-21-2012 12:22 PM

How I make rally routes and roadbooks…
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...4#post16350944

http://www.thegrandrally.com/photos/...D-Roadbook.jpg

pfb 06-21-2012 03:09 PM

Scott is the expert at roadbook creation, but when I think of maybe creating my first amateur roadbook, there are a few challenges I think about... And I'll also assume that if I where to create one, it would be in Colorado where aerial/sat images are not nearly as useful for creation of a route.
  • How do I make the route interesting and unique, and tailor it for the riding skill level, types of bikes, and roadbook experience of the participants?

  • How to take a general route concept to a basic roadbook plan? Pre-ride the entire route without worrying about any notes, just scope the entire route, then go back a second/third/fourth time to make notes and verify? Or try and make some notes the first time through?

  • Once I have a route and most of the turns documented in some sort of fashion, how do I create/distribute a more professional looking roadbook, especially if I truly suck at drawing?

  • What readily available computer tools make the job easier? What tools are more work then they are worth?

  • Whats the best way to organize an event so I don't spend hours and hours putting together a roadbook that never gets ridden? :lol3

What my tulip diagrams would end up looking like....
"enter through mom's right leg, follow her dress around to the left, and exit through her left arm. If you reach her head roundabout, you went to far"
http://thenextfamily.com/wp-content/...ure-family.jpg

beechum1 06-21-2012 03:12 PM

I imagine this will come up at some point:

From here http://thedakar.blogspot.com/2010/12....html?spref=tw

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Mj0pq_ddKB...k+school+1.bmp

beechum1 06-21-2012 03:13 PM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mj0pq_ddKB...k+school+2.bmp

beechum1 06-21-2012 03:14 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Mj0pq_ddKB...k+school+3.bmp

HogWild 06-21-2012 05:04 PM

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Based on the comments in the earlier thread, I think way too much time is being spent on thinking about tools to make roadbooks instead of going out and actually making a roadbook. Who cares if your roadbook looks like a Picasso or chicken scratches and stick men! You'll learn qucikly what aspects are important and what's just making things pretty by going out and actually doing it.

Sketch out a few lines on a sheet of paper like the blank sample below, make 10 copies, then go out and create a short roadbook. I assure you, even with the most exotic roadbook making tools it's still a lot of work. The tools only make it SLIGHTLY easier. Most people will burn out after making their first roadbook, so better to get that done and over with quickly. After you've done a few roadbooks with pencil and paper, you'll know what features to look for in a software tool.

And if I'm following some else's roadbook, I'd much rather it be creative, fun, challenging and hand-drawn than a boring ride and boring navigation in a work of art roadbook. Think about what will make the ride and navigation interesting, fun, and challenging, not what will make the paper pretty.

Stagehand 06-21-2012 06:39 PM

One of the exercises in Jimmy Lewis's roadbook school is the creation of a road book, you must draw your own! We only did a 20 mile course or so, following tracks on the GPS, but it was one of my favorite parts of the whole experience.

beechum1 06-21-2012 07:35 PM

I have some tracks to follow this weekend that i scouted on GE. Im going to follow them and then go back to GE o make a roadbook to follow the next weekend. And so forth until the v2r.

pfb 06-21-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HogWild (Post 18964267)
...way too much time is being spent on thinking about tools to make roadbooks instead of going out and actually making a roadbook.
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if I'm following some else's roadbook, I'd much rather it be creative, fun, challenging and hand-drawn than a boring ride and boring navigation in a work of art roadbook.

Good advice... My inner engineer was overcomplicating things. As it has a tendency to do! :lol3

greglewis 06-21-2012 10:18 PM

First of all - Chris, thank you for starting this thread.

I have been searching for a tool, method, whatever, to take a gps track and turn it into a road book. Probably not every comment, but at least the turns (left, right, bear left, etc) and mileage. Anyone got any sources...ideas...good jokes?

Thanks from the great flat, paved wastes of Illinoisistan.

Greg :D

beechum1 06-21-2012 11:50 PM

Post #2.

Myway 06-22-2012 03:27 AM

I miss this type of datarecording wheelsensor

crankshaft 06-22-2012 07:32 AM

Hog makes a lot of sense.... I just threw out my computer:lol3

I've already made a few Roll charts and I never found the process to be that daunting. The only difference between my roll charts and an RB is the format and on a roll chart, I don't describe every bump and ditch. I must be doing it wrong to be having that much fun? Adding the extra info seems like just more fun.

I've always used a pencil and a sheet of lined paper for my roll charts, so I totally understand what you're saying. At the same time, why not try to improve the method to make it easier and maybe less daunting for people that don't seem to enjoy it as much? Anyway, I can get online for 5 minutes and discuss RB creation, I can't use that 5 minutes to create one. Research is important, I've learned a lot already.

HogWild 06-22-2012 11:07 AM

The "bracket" thread is still off track, so I’m taking this post from there and answering in here…

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack splash (Post 18968844)
If the plight of enduro timekeeping tells us anything, it won't be long before the old school roadbook goes the way of the wrist watch and route sheet. I can hear it now, the official reason will be something like, "in order to get more and younger riders, the Rally committe has decided that any smart phone will be accepted as a navigation device"

That’s sort of the argument that was used in the revival of the Mexican 1000 Rally, where you can use GPS tracks or paper roadbook (or both). Fortunately, in that race things are moving in the opposite direction to what you describe. It looks like next year roadbook navigation will become more important than ever.

In an event like Dakar, navigation is a MAJOR factor. It's a completely different race than something like the Baja 1000, or the past 3 Mexican 1000 races where the course is known ahead of time. A GPS is used in Dakar, but it doesn't show a track or route or any kind of map. It's mostly for providing your current heading, a few special waypoints (once you're very close to them), and a few other things. In the 2005 Dakar they changed the way the GPS worked. It showed a "corridor" defining the race course. That made it way too easy to navigate. Everyone complained about it, so they took that function away the next year. If you look at most of the other cross-country rallies (we don't have any in the USA), they also rely on paper roadbooks, with challenging navigation being a key component. If anything, I think the sport is growing, in part because that mental challenge of navigation is missing from other types of racing.

Lifted from one of my posts in another thread...
When you use GPS, you always know where you’re going. When you always know where you’re going, you never get lost. When you never get lost, you miss out on big adventures. When you miss out on big adventures, your life becomes a bore. When your life becomes a bore, you sit at home and watch DirecTV all day. Don’t sit at home watching DirecTV all day, race with a roadbook!


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