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DirtWarrior 07-15-2012 09:08 PM

350exc or 450 exc
 
Hey guys,
I'm throwing around the idea of picking up a smaller thumper for OHV parks and some single-track riding and occasional trips to the desert. I currently use my 690 for bigger rides and riding mostly fire roads with it. I was looking at the 2013 models and I noticed there is only a weight difference of 8 lbs between the 350 exc and 450exc bikes. Guy's at work are telling me to buy the 450, but none of them have ridden a 350, so I want to hear your opinions. I'm not a big guy at all, weighing 145 and the bike will not be used on roads (other than to cross trails).

Nick

spencergt66 07-15-2012 09:15 PM

Bigger
 
If your doing mostly fire roads and open desert I would go for more CC might even consider the 500 with the FI now the bikes rev quick and are pretty peppy but I would think if you got the 350 you would be looking for more on the open stuff. Tighter single or dubble track the 350 would shine but wide open your going to want goobs of Tq

Cyberg 07-15-2012 09:26 PM

I would go with the 450 for the fact that they last longer than the 350 between rebuilds. Plus at 145 lbs you wont have enough ass to make the tire on the 500 stop spinning. Also the 450 will have better resale over the 350.

Im a big guy and the 500 has more than enough hp.

Foot dragger 07-15-2012 09:32 PM

You would really have to ride each,the 350 involves higher rpm whether its on a trail or dirt road,a 450 that has been made to run mild so as to be street legal from the factory should be pretty smooth. Maybe your only looking at the dirt only models. When resale time comes,the dual-purpose bikes are WAY easier to sell,and they dont weigh much more then the dirt only bikes. As far as I know KTM doesnt make a street legal 450 so thats it for that idea.

Really.........for strictly dirt I like my 300 lots better then any 4 stroke,personal issue.

Off the grid 07-15-2012 10:39 PM

300 2-stroke

chippertheripper 07-16-2012 05:04 AM

I also vote 300, but if that really isn't an option, 350.
In the woods it's alot harder to make up for any bikes shortcomings than out in the open.
And it's not really the 8lbs that makes the difference, it's how that weight is carried...up top and in rotating mass makes for a more sluggish handler.

Cyberg 07-16-2012 07:31 AM

Remember he lives in Ca. Alot of our trails are not as tight as back east style woods riding.

Also I think the 350 is a high maint engine design. He also stated a smaller 4t compaired to his 690. Now if he wanted a 2t I would recomend the 300 as one of the best bikes out.

DirtWarrior 07-16-2012 09:14 PM

I would definitely like a two-stroke, but that is not an option for me simply because of the red/green sticker law in Kalifornia. I'm getting the impression that the 350 excf is a high maintenance engine, but as someone mentioned, I'll have to try both bikes. Is the street-legal 450 not available for 2013 in the U.S?

Bofaxrunner 11-25-2012 03:47 PM

I have a 690 kitted with a rally raid, and a 350 excf. I could not imagine a better combo. My best friend has a 450 exc, and we swap all the time. His bike has more low end, but they seem to be almost identical on the top end. We have the same gearing btw. Once I got my 350 dialed, I wouldn't give it up for anything. I turns much faster and feels much lighter than the 450. I have a 3.5 gallon tank and almost always have more fuel than my buddies stocker and we both agree my bike is more flick able.

It does have a more complicated valve adjustment, but it makes the bike feel so smooth while revving. I can't imagine you would regret it.

4play 11-25-2012 07:20 PM

I rode a friends 350 & ride with him all over AZ. That thing is like a mountain bike with a nice torquey engine. I don't know that maintainence schedule, but he's never compained & seems to love the little bike.

motomark39 11-25-2012 07:59 PM

all 3
 
In the last year I have tried all 3, 500exc, 350xcf, and as of right now still have the 450xcw. 350, not torquie, no grunt off the bottom, mid range up motor. 500, great bottom, great torque, very strong. 450, same as the 500, BUT easier to manage, can be more agressive, and less tiring to ride longer than the 500, feels better in the corners. The 350 is a good running bike, but doesn't get the adrenalin flowing with a twist of the wrist.

jon_l 11-26-2012 03:58 AM

Is the 450 is street legal in CA? Doesn't look like it to me on the KTM website. 350 vs 500 seems to be the choice in new bikes.

Steveman 11-26-2012 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bofaxrunner (Post 20115451)
I have a 690 kitted with a rally raid, and a 350 excf. I could not imagine a better combo. My best friend has a 450 exc, and we swap all the time. His bike has more low end, but they seem to be almost identical on the top end. We have the same gearing btw. Once I got my 350 dialed, I wouldn't give it up for anything. I turns much faster and feels much lighter than the 450. I have a 3.5 gallon tank and almost always have more fuel than my buddies stocker and we both agree my bike is more flick able.

It does have a more complicated valve adjustment, but it makes the bike feel so smooth while revving. I can't imagine you would regret it.

absolutely +1, bought the 350 right out of the show room. Had a 450 which is strong and has more low end torque. But the 350 is much easier to ride, handles like a 250 and when grip is bad eats the 450 and 500 with ease.

Many prefer the 500 for "what they call enduro" but real enduro ends in second gear or even earlier. Desert blasting, fire track and greenlaning, I'd take the 500 as it is just superstrong. As soon you get in the real hard stuff forget it. You cant manage the torque. And that is why even big guys in enduro championship go for the 350. Well, have to admit Johnny Aubert although championship winner swaps back to a 500 from the 350. But the exception proves the rule :1drink

CU
Steve

Navaho 12-05-2012 04:21 PM

These guys were not too happy with the handling and suspsension of the new 450.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/178/13...-Shootout.aspx

The complaints that they have about the handling is the way I feel about my 2007 450 and very typical of most KTM bikes I've owned or ridden. They are tall and squirrely. Designed for clearing obstacles and turning on a dime (at the expense of stability).

Some comments from the article:

"One of the most telling discoveries is that none of our testers listed the XC-W as their bike of preference, while every other machine got at least one top vote."

“I could never come to grips with the handling of the KTM. The front end pushes like crazy, and the back end wants to slide all over the place. It’s always twitching and moving around. I never felt like I could give it my all on the KTM. I was afraid I’d end up blowing a turn and wind up in a cholla cactus.”

“Stability is questionable in the high-speed, bumpy sections," adds our Pro racer. "Although the suspension soaks it up well and it is well balanced, I think for how fast the bike is geared to go from the factory, the suspension should be stiffer.”

The KTM did however get praised for it's motor and light clutch.

wizz 12-05-2012 06:02 PM

chilly from enduro360.com:


* ASternad, on 02 September 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:
Chilly -
Between the 350 and 500 as per your ride test - if you were going on a ride and had no idea what you would be encountering (tight, sand, open, rocky), which bike would you prefer?

response:
Bike choice, that is a tough one. Personally I enjoy riding the 350 much more. It is a real riders bike, very responsive and great handling. I also like the way it makes power. For better or worse, it has a small bike personality. It surprises me that the power is pretty much on par with my older RFS 450's. I just picked up a '13 350exc that will be a long term test bike, super excited about it.


Personally I'm 200lbs and I got the 350. Was advised by folks that have access to both bikes (along with 9 other bike at anytime) and they said if it involves dirt they grab the 350. I couldnt be happier. As powerfull as my xr650, not quite as tourquey, but plenty of low end none the less and feels likea bicycle. really easy to handle.
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