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Dr LC8 09-26-2012 11:13 AM

A much lighter 950 adventure...
 
...how to make one??:evil

I guess a two in one akra, single front disk, rims?, CPR air box, smaller tail...

Please tell me more, give me number, loads of speculations and plenty of pictures:lol3:lol3:lol3

Ciao

Nic

Navin 09-26-2012 11:18 AM

Start with a SE for one.

Then just resign yourself to the fact that they can't get much lighter without Powercell efforts and that KTM gave up and built a luxo-barge to replace it.

Navin 09-26-2012 11:23 AM

It cab get lighter but it will never be light.

http://173.74.246.28/ktmtalk/photoga...e/Photo180.jpg

wpbarlow 09-26-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navin (Post 19685217)
...Then just resign yourself to the fact that they can't get much lighter without Powercell efforts and that KTM gave up and built a luxo-barge to replace it.

But to be fair-- a luxo-barge that similarly equipped (crashbars and skidplate) looks like it weighs less than the 9x0.

Sorry to confuse the issue with some apparent facts :lol3 We're all just speculating on the same published information.

Dr LC8 09-26-2012 02:11 PM

There is no isses here. I like the 950/990 and I had three over 7 and odd years. I don't like the se even if I am sure is good.
The question is just: how I can get a lighter 950 that will help me riding better off road...or at leat easier for an avarage rider as I am????


Ciao

Nic

Navin 09-26-2012 02:18 PM

Better to improve suspension if you have stock than to chase a unicorn IMO. I have a 2-1 Q4 on the SE, honestly it feels the same as the previous stock can on a 2-1, which didn't translate to a lighter feel from the 2-2 stock cans. I deleted a bunch of wiring. Same. Used a ultra lite headlight and enduro taillight, same. I chopped out my subframe undertray, same. Sure, it all adds up but tires and suspension made the real differences I could feel.


Back on my Adv I deleted a front brake, felt nothing. Cans, nothing.


Going from the Adv to the SE, yeah, that I could feel too! Felt 100 lbs lighter. :evil

Dr LC8 09-26-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Navin (Post 19686476)
Better to improve suspension if you have stock than to chase a unicorn IMO. I have a 2-1 Q4 on the SE, honestly it feels the same as the previous stock can on a 2-1, which didn't translate to a lighter feel from the 2-2 stock cans. I deleted a bunch of wiring. Same. Used a ultra lite headlight and enduro taillight, same. I chopped out my subframe undertray, same. Sure, it all adds up but tires and suspension made the real differences I could feel.


Back on my Adv I deleted a front brake, felt nothing. Cans, nothing.


Going from the Adv to the SE, yeah, that I could feel too! Felt 100 lbs lighter. :evil


So what you are saying is that taking some 10kg off from cans and brakes won't make any difference?
In all honestey when I fitted akras on my 950 and on the 990 after I couldn't feel handeling difference. However I guess I din't try to put all the saving together and then ride off!:huh

Nic

wpbarlow 09-26-2012 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr LC8 (Post 19686651)
So what you are saying is that taking some 10kg off from cans and brakes won't make any difference?...

Well, it's 10kg easier to pick up :lol3 At my age, that's a benefit.

Navin 09-26-2012 03:41 PM

I've dropped about 25-30 lbs just by glancing and no, it didn't/doesn't feel any lighter and when it falls in mud or sand it sure isn't feeling any lighter, and if it tips over in the garage it sure doesn't feel lighter. I think once the bike crosses about 360 lbs they are just a friggin anchor. It could weight 50 lbs more or less at least I wouldn't feel it and I ride mine 90% off road in deep sand whoops at high speeds. It is a barge.

However, the suspension made a huge difference and tires, well, real dirt tires are the cats pajamas. The right tires are the biggest difference of all.

I can barely feel when my 7.9g safari if full or empty while riding. I feel it when moving it by pushing as it is more top heavy but in motion under power no.

MotoTex 09-26-2012 03:47 PM

You have to think about what it is you like about the Adventure. Those things that make it different from the SE that are not negotiable. Fairing? Storage? Fuel capacity?

Everything else is fair game.

Titanium frame?

Carbon fiber wheel set?

Flux Capacitor?

Considered putting Helium in the tires? :D

I've seen bicyclists chase the ever elusive "lighter bike" and spend tens of thousands of dollars in the process, and ended up with a very light bike that they didn't really enjoy riding. They had a sub-twenty pound mountain bike with no suspension, small tires, and a very stiff frame.

I'd agree about putting money in suspension and tires before you put the bike on a diet. What you may really be after is ride-ability, not necessarily lower weight.

TheMuffinMan 09-26-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navin (Post 19685247)
It can get lighter but it will never be light.

+1

There isn't one bike that does everything I want it. Though a 690 + RR fairing kit is looking mighty tempting, just not on the wallet! :lol3

HellsAlien 09-26-2012 04:56 PM

The suspension and consequent ridability is what sold me on this bike years ago, that's still its strong play, that and mondo usable power. Do the cans, that's the biggest weight drop; I did it 'cause it saves the weight of the Gobis.

I passed a whole bunch of bikes on a go-kart track last weekend with my 950A on used Skorps; lowest bike lap time, literally lapped the whole gang once/twice in a 20 min session, including so-called supermotos. I couldn't do that if the suspension/tires/motor didn't work.

But it ain't ever gonna be an SE with tank and farkles. May not be your cup of tea, but in baja they rock!

Off Road Ryder 09-26-2012 07:43 PM

Put the motor in a cr 500 frame..:rofl
I love my 950 adv. after the suspension work I FEEL I can ride it much like my 525. not really, but close:lol3
Loosing the stock cans is a good thing. Other than that I think spending efforts on weight loss is relatively fruitless.

slackmeyer 09-26-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclops Motorsports (Post 19688981)
Put the motor in a cr 500 frame..:rofl
I love my 950 adv. after the suspension work I FEEL I can ride it much like my 525. not really, but close:lol3
Loosing the stock cans is a good thing. Other than that I think spending efforts on weight loss is relatively fruitless.

I was going to suggest swapping for a 690 frame.



Then a 690 motor, subframe, swingarm, etc. You'll be down to 325 lbs before you know it.

RoundOz 09-27-2012 07:34 AM

Ideally you are removing weight that is the furthest from the ground as this has the most benefit handling-wise. This is tougher to do on a 9x0 as the factory has done such a good job in the first place at keeping weight down low. However, unless you are already anorexic, it is easier to drop poundage off yourself than off the bike. (That being said, I obviously find burgers and bacon way more attractive than improving the handling of a bike that is ten times better at offroading and onroading than I will ever be)
Some would say that if you are lighter you will have a harder time throwing the bike from side to side (after all, you have to push against something) but if you replace the lard with muscle I would guess the effect is a wash.

Back to the bike, I think the two biggest changes you can make are the battery and the cans. Lots of guys run without crashbars. A composite skidplate might save you a pound. I would guess that all carbon fiber bodywork and titanium fasteners will shave more ounces off your wallet than off the bike. If you carry tools on a regular basis, aim for multitasking and consider parting with big bucks for titanium or alloy wrenches. Removing unsprung weight is generally better for handling (it gives your suspension an easier time, especially rebound). Removing a disk will make the single biggest change. I'm not sure how much weight heavy duty tubes add, but most people who swear by them (and heavier duty aftermarket rims) are not going to trade them for weight savings.

Its all a compromise. I love lightweight bikes, but I am not about to remove my crashbars or aux lights or leave my 15-20 pounds of tools and spares at home, unless I am just going across town.


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