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BeamingBeagle 10-09-2012 09:04 AM

2001 r1150gs slight knocking noise
 
Hey all. I hear a slight knocking on my bike. If I'm facing the bike it's most clearly heard from the left side.

The valves sound really nice. I've done the chain tensioner mod which is on the other side.

Maybe I just need to rebalance and idle the carbs?

It's not that there's any problem right now I would just like to prevent a complete rebuild or some kind of worse failure on a trip. Any advice would be appreciated. Thx.

def 10-09-2012 09:13 AM

Engine knocking to the untrained ear is deceptive and often misleading. It is rare that the boxer engine blow up after the owner reports an engine noise. You'll need to provide more details regarding the so-called knock so we can accurately diagnosis your issue. So, here are the hints; 1- Frequency of the knock. 2- From what area of the engine does the knock come from? 3- Does it go away with RPM changes? 4- Clutch in or out? 5- Hot or cold? 6- What engine oil is in the engine ans how many miles on this oil? What brand filter? Finally, try this. When you next cold start the engine, let it run for 10 seconds cold and shut it off with the kill switch leaving the key on. Count the seconds from the time you shut it off and when the oil light comes on and report back here.

mike54 10-09-2012 09:41 AM

It could be the throttle bodies. The shaft wears and allows the butterfly to move in pulse with the intake. I would call that a tapping sound but some might call it knocking. Easy enough to put a finger on the shaft while the bike is running and see if it makes a difference.

Jazz62 10-09-2012 02:56 PM

:lurk

Ron from BC 10-10-2012 06:31 AM

+1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mike54 (Post 19780482)
It could be the throttle bodies. The shaft wears and allows the butterfly to move in pulse with the intake. I would call that a tapping sound but some might call it knocking. Easy enough to put a finger on the shaft while the bike is running and see if it makes a difference.

There is a flat silver plate which is on the engine side of the throttle body that the throttle cable connects to. When I put a finger on that plate and apply some pressure the clicking noise even stops. I have the rebuild kit for both TB's which will be installed this winter.

For now, it sounds like a set of false teeth from a trick and joke shop :lol3

def 10-10-2012 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamingBeagle (Post 19780227)
Hey all. I hear a slight knocking on my bike. If I'm facing the bike it's most clearly heard from the left side.

The valves sound really nice. I've done the chain tensioner mod which is on the other side.

Maybe I just need to rebalance and idle the carbs?

It's not that there's any problem right now I would just like to prevent a complete rebuild or some kind of worse failure on a trip. Any advice would be appreciated. Thx.

No carbs on your boxer...those are fuel injection throttle bodies. Before you tackle any adjustments, read some more about how and why the adjustments are made. Also DO NOT DISTURB THE LITTLE BLACK BOX ON THE LH SIDE THROTTLE BODY. That is the throttle position sensor and is factory set and marked with blue paint. Also, do not adjust the throttle stop screws. Doing so will leave you with a bike that does not run correctly. You need to better understand how the fuel system works on the boxer before you break out the tools. I would recommend your buddy up with someone experienced in your neighborhood who will keep you out of trouble while you learn just how and why adjustments are carried out.

mike54 10-10-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by def (Post 19787454)
No carbs on your boxer...those are fuel injection throttle bodies. Before you tackle any adjustments, read some more about how and why the adjustments are made. Also DO NOT DISTURB THE LITTLE BLACK BOX ON THE LH SIDE THROTTLE BODY. That is the throttle position sensor and is factory set and marked with blue paint. Also, do not adjust the throttle stop screws. Doing so will leave you with a bike that does not run correctly. You need to better understand how the fuel system works on the boxer before you break out the tools. I would recommend your buddy up with someone experienced in your neighborhood who will keep you out of trouble while you learn just how and why adjustments are carried out.

Calm down. He hasn't responded to your first suggestion yet. :D

I second def's suggestions in his previous post. It may help to use a stethoscope/long screwdriver/woden dowel/piece of hose to try to isolate where the 'knocking' is comming from.

jachard 10-11-2012 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by def (Post 19780272)
Engine knocking to the untrained ear is deceptive and often misleading. It is rare that the boxer engine blow up after the owner reports an engine noise. You'll need to provide more details regarding the so-called knock so we can accurately diagnosis your issue. So, here are the hints; 1- Frequency of the knock. 2- From what area of the engine does the knock come from? 3- Does it go away with RPM changes? 4- Clutch in or out? 5- Hot or cold? 6- What engine oil is in the engine ans how many miles on this oil? What brand filter? Finally, try this. When you next cold start the engine, let it run for 10 seconds cold and shut it off with the kill switch leaving the key on. Count the seconds from the time you shut it off and when the oil light comes on and report back here.


As a matter of curiosity I did the cold shut down test you outlined above and got ~12sec. on my bike. I would assume the longer the time, the better the health of the engine. Is there a number which indicates "bad"?

Cheers, James

def 10-11-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jachard (Post 19794640)
As a matter of curiosity I did the cold shut down test you outlined above and got ~12sec. on my bike. I would assume the longer the time, the better the health of the engine. Is there a number which indicates "bad"?

Cheers, James

This test is rather crude and would show signs of loose lower end bearings if the cold oil pressure was not sustained for several seconds as you observed.

The trick is to do this occasionally before you change oil and after you change oil. You'll get a reasonable baseline with which you can judge oil viscosity, engine bearing clearance and how temperatures effect oil viscosity and engine clearances.

I would speculate that good 15w-50 oil in a boxer with normal bearing clearances at 75 F. ambient, the ~12 seconds cold oil pressure bleed down you observed is normal.

def 10-11-2012 10:07 AM

I just did my oil pressure bleed down on my '01 with ~50,000 miles and old 15w-50 Mobil 1 oil. About 10 seconds cold (ambient is 70 F.). I had some errands to run so when I returned to the garage with the bike hot, I did it again. This time about 2 seconds with hot oil and engine. I consider those nominal times. Remember, there are many variables in this test so use caution when evaluating the information.

BeamingBeagle 10-11-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by def (Post 19780272)
Engine knocking to the untrained ear is deceptive and often misleading. It is rare that the boxer engine blow up after the owner reports an engine noise. You'll need to provide more details regarding the so-called knock so we can accurately diagnosis your issue. So, here are the hints; 1- Frequency of the knock. 2- From what area of the engine does the knock come from? 3- Does it go away with RPM changes? 4- Clutch in or out? 5- Hot or cold? 6- What engine oil is in the engine ans how many miles on this oil? What brand filter? Finally, try this. When you next cold start the engine, let it run for 10 seconds cold and shut it off with the kill switch leaving the key on. Count the seconds from the time you shut it off and when the oil light comes on and report back here.

Wow guys, thanks for all the advice! Sorry it's taken me a while to get back with the answers but here they are along with a link to a youtube video I made trying to capture idle and a slight rev.

link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVqO...1&feature=plcp

1. frequency seems pretty consistant
2. sounds like just under the cylinder head (if your facing the bike front left)
3. No, it's more noticable when it's idling but I can still feel it (or so I think) when its up around 4000
4. clutch in or out has no effect
5. pretty consistant hot and cold (maybe a little more pronounced when hot)
6. 20w-50 castrol synthetic. almost 3000 on this change (engine has 48,000) filter is bmw,
Cold start test was 6 seconds until light came on

And thank you!!!

Ron from BC 10-11-2012 04:25 PM

I must need new speakers....sounds like an 1150gs boxer to me. Not trying to be funny here, perhaps it is my speakers?

Stegerman 10-11-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron from BC (Post 19798054)
I must need new speakers....sounds like an 1150gs boxer to me. Not trying to be funny here, perhaps it is my speakers?

I agree. I'm no JVB, but that sounds like my 2000 and it was just at the mechanic, not for engine issues, but they checked it over it gave it the thumbs up.

BeamingBeagle 10-11-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron from BC (Post 19798054)
I must need new speakers....sounds like an 1150gs boxer to me. Not trying to be funny here, perhaps it is my speakers?

I don't ride with anyone who has an 1150 so maybe the noise/feeling is nothing but normal boxer click-ity clack?

mouthfulloflake 10-11-2012 04:37 PM

that bike sounds smooth and quiet to me, especially when compared to the one I ride daily.


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