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doogiepooch 11-05-2012 05:33 PM

Trading my KLR for a Burgman 400....another talk me out of it thread
 
Looking for a little advice or devil's advocate or encouragement....whatever you want to throw out. I'd be buying new, probably trading after the first of the year for a 13' 400 Burgman.

Been riding for about 6 years, see in my sig I've been into sport bikes and dual sports. This summer I rode my KLR from NC to Yellowstone and kind of discovered I think my real passion is motorcycle travel. I want to do a couple more big trips next summer. I ride every weekend, mostly with a level headed guy in his 50's or my dad who is in his early 60's. I'm a get out and go to new places and see new things type rider, not a how fast I can get there type rider, not that a maxi scooter is slow. And for all the dual sports I've had, I don't ride off road, I've been on gravel once this year. The storage and look of the 400 are what draws me to it. The dash, the backrest, all the cubby holes! I think the 400 will be about as quick as my KLR maybe even a little faster and from what I've read will definatly handle interstate better. I need to find someone local that will let me ride a 400 but in the meantime lets chat about them. Are they as comfortable as they look and feel? Showroom floor is all the time I've had on one. Interstate, yes I know they'll do it all day long but I want to hear from some guys that use them for travel. I've read some stuff about some oil burn if you hold it at high interstate speeds for hours on end, anything to this? I'm certainly familiar with singles burning oil at constant high speeds but will it do 70-75 mph without burning? Guys that have dropped from a bike to a scooter.....do you miss a bike much or do all the positive of a scooter make up for it?

cbolling 11-05-2012 06:14 PM

I am interested in hearing what answers you get.

As far as I am concerned as long as your ego can handle it, you will be happier with the Burgman.:wink:

damasovi 11-05-2012 06:20 PM

to get this one rolling.

I have a KLR and last December got a scooter, not a Maxi just a 100 cc so I can't comment on the 400 you mention, how ever the ridding and experiences is night and day, how ever no wrong or better just different.

The thing I can say is that the KLR is a very high bike, a scooter will feel short, the feeling of been capable of going over any hole, rock and side walks,will go away as soon as you hit it! I no longer jump curbs, on the other hand wind protection is much better and with 400 windshield it will be even better, I no longer get cold legs.

The easy stores of the burgman is impressive, my little honda can't fit a full size M HJC helmet but it does hold a lot more than the KLR (obviously). Range? you will miss that on the KLR, on my little scooter I only get 100-120 miles per tank, but I do get 80-90 mpg so it is not bad.

I hope you get to ride one, since it is the only way that you can truly get to know a bike/scooter.

Damasovi

klaviator 11-05-2012 07:39 PM

I've got a KLR and two smaller scooters. My opinion is that scooters are more practical as far as storage and they tend to have much better seats that the KLR but the KLR has a better riding position. Riding a scooter with it's more feet forward position and in the case of the Maxi Scooters, more pulled back handle bars may bother your back. If possible take a Burgman for a long ride and see how your back feels.

My recommendation, keep the KLR AND get a scooter. One bike is just not enough:D

KennyT 11-05-2012 07:45 PM

Honestly don't even know what a KLR is, but think the Burgman 400 kicks butt from everything I have read...
Will a 400 be big enough for your highway riding? I only have a 125 Agility, but love the thought of more!
Committed to new? Watch craigslist. There are always Burmans (650s and 400s) for sale, but perhaps money is no object...
Either way, my guess is you will love the scooter, but I like Klaviator's answer that one is not enough. Perhaps if you buy used, you won't need to trade the KLR (whatever it is! :)). I can't wait to see the picture of your new bike!
Ken

JerryH 11-05-2012 07:53 PM

I have owned 2 KLR650s, and sold them both. I love them, but finally had to come to terms with the fact that they are simply not comfortable enough for me on long trips. I still like trail riding, and I bought an XT225 for that, and heavily modified it with just about every bolt on goodie you can get for them except hard panniers. I bought a Goldwing for comfort, but for a solo rider it is overkill, and it gets less mileage than my car. I still have it, but don't ride it that much anymore. My plans are to sell it and buy a Harley. The reason is the Kawasaki Vulcan 750 I bought new back in 2002. It is by far the most comfortable bike I have ever owned, except for the Goldwing, and it's light weight and maneuverability more than make up for that. It is definitely an all day bike. I have put over 74,000 miles on it in 10 years. I have done 2 SS1000s on it, with ease. I will keep it till I wear it out. I test rode all the Japanese maxi scooters recently, with plans to buy one. But I found them very awkward, and harder to handle than the Goldwing. The Silverwing was the best fit, because it has cutouts in the floorboards so you can put you legs straight down beside it without having to hang your feet over the w-i-d-e floorboards of the others. They were so wide that even with a 34" inseam, I had trouble getting my feet on the ground. Even the tall KLR was easier to ride around town. I couldn't flat foot it, but I could tip toe it fairly easily. The edges of the floorboards hurt my legs when I tried to put my feet on the ground on the maxis.

I like scooters, I have 3, a Yamaha Vino 125 and Zuma 125, and a Genuine Stella 2 stroke. They are a lot of fun, but they may as well not have any suspension. I have a bad back, and everytime I hit a bump, which is quite often around here, they pound my back like a jackhammer. Because your feet are out in front of you, it is difficult to raise yourself off the seat when you see a bump coming.


Last thing, I would check into the maintenance requirements. Some maxi scooters have ridiculously high maintenance costs. Especially check the valve adjustment intervals and procedure. I chose the Zuma 125 over the Honda PCX150 because it takes 15 minutes to do the valves on the Zuma, and 3 hours on the PCX. Apparently you have to remove the whole body and pull the motor to get to the valves on a Majesty. Dealer book says 6 hours labor. Not sure about the Burgman. But definitely something to consider.

If comfort is your main concern, you might want to look at a cruiser, although modern cruisers are not as comfortable as the older ones. The Vulcan 750 is a 1985 design. Newer ones are designed more for looks.

I noticed that the new Burgman 400 is only available with ABS, definitely a turn off for me. Most like it, I hate it.

Racerrrx 11-05-2012 08:00 PM

The only thing I'd like to talk you out of is buying new...I don't see that many B400's for sale around here, but Majesty 400's are fairly plentiful for well under $3K for a newish one. If you can possibly swing it, keep the KLR and pick up a used maxi.

When I got my Majesty, I also had an FZ1 and 2 smaller scooters. Ended up riding the 400 90% of the time- whether commuting or doing 500 mile days of twisties. The FZ1 was just stupid overkill in most cases. Now I have a DL650, the 400, and a CBR250. The DL and Maj get about equal time and the CBR comes out maybe 10% of the time (and waits patiently to be raced). The 400 has great weather protection, gets slightly better MPG and is invisible to cops but the suspension is harsh and handling is...weird. The DL rides like a Caddy and is more fun in the curves. I'm very glad to have options...

fullmetalscooter 11-06-2012 01:48 AM

Nor could I say that it would be a step up . MPG same. MPH near. Build one of crag vetters alska fairing on a KLR ( look up crag vetter web site ) and it almost better then a burgman 400 for protection. KLR with upgrades such as snake bar , seat etc is almost more comfortable in more types of riding.

klaviator 11-06-2012 04:39 AM

[QUOTE=JerryH;19978987...................

I like scooters, I have 3, a Yamaha Vino 125 and Zuma 125, and a Genuine Stella 2 stroke. They are a lot of fun, but they may as well not have any suspension. I have a bad back, and everytime I hit a bump, which is quite often around here, they pound my back like a jackhammer. Because your feet are out in front of you, it is difficult to raise yourself off the seat when you see a bump coming.


Last thing, I would check into the maintenance requirements. Some maxi scooters have ridiculously high maintenance costs. Especially check the valve adjustment intervals and procedure. I chose the Zuma 125 over the Honda PCX150 because it takes 15 minutes to do the valves on the Zuma, and 3 hours on the PCX. Apparently you have to remove the whole body and pull the motor to get to the valves on a Majesty. Dealer book says 6 hours labor. Not sure about the Burgman. But definitely something to consider.

If comfort is your main concern, you might want to look at a cruiser, although modern cruisers are not as comfortable as the older ones. The Vulcan 750 is a 1985 design. Newer ones are designed more for looks.

.........[/QUOTE]

Jerry brings up some good points.

First, I doubt that any scooter will ride as well on rough roads as the KLR. It's hard to compete with 9 inches of suspension travel. Also, it's more difficult to get your weight off your butt when you see a large bump coming.

Maintenance. Likely to be higher on the scooter. My KLR gets 50MPG, my scooters 75. The KLR is probably still cheaper to operate due to the much lower cost of tires. It also requires less overall maintenance.

Comfort is subjective but overall you will probably be more comfortable on a scooter except on rough roads. Keep in mind that that maxi scooters don't all have the same riding position. I have sat on all of them and the SW and Majesty don't work for me while the Burgman is OK. You may find the opposite.

You really won't know if a scooter will work for you until you try one. I'd recommend getting a used scooter and keeping the KLR. Later, you can make a decision on which to keep, or maybe sell both and get the new BMW Scooter:D

Or better yet, keep the KLR and get a small scooter and a maxi scooter:evil

Starbuck21 11-06-2012 04:59 AM

In May I traded in my 2009 KLR 650 for a 2012 Silver Wing. Boy do I know what you are feeling! Anyway, the KLR was a great bike just not for my use. It was too high and too heavy for any serious off-road use, for me. I have Trail 90's if I want to thrash them off-road and then pick them up w/o help :D The KLR did OK on road but was not meant for touring and therefore not all that comfortable. I got my KLR in August 2011 and put less than 2500 miles on it. Since buying the Silver Wing in May I have nearly 4000 miles on it! I took a week long trip from Arizona to Yosemite and back nearly 1700 miles and it was GREAT! The Wing is smooth and powerful and with the fuel injection can sail over the highest mountains flawless; went over 10K on the Yosemite trip. Why would anyone NOT want ABS? The storage is great too.

I have not ridden the 400 Burgman but have a friend that got his Iron Butt certification on one!!! So it must do OK!!!

Anyway to summarize, at 60 years old (me) the Wing is perfect for me! I have ridden many bikes since 1969; and am very happy with the big Honda! I think you will like the maxi-scooter idea. Check out the Burgman's, Honda and even the new BMW and make sure it "fits" YOU. Good luck. Oh and my Yosemite trip write up is in the DayTripper section and was late August or early Sept.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=824559

Unstable Rider 11-06-2012 05:02 AM

Ok, this post for the scooter dude that did not know what a KLR is.

Ps:, the KLR just had it's 25th year aniversary in June 2012.

Couple entertaining KLR videos.



Ps, What's a Burgman? :evil


"The Commute" by Revzilla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbb2kSgVsss

"World's most powerful dirt bike/motorcycle" by Half Throttle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf1dbdNJMSc

"This is my KLR" by Half Throttle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62y6...j9EG6BFJfAg%3D

gravityisnotmyfriend 11-06-2012 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyT (Post 19978925)
Honestly don't even know what a KLR is, ...

Perhaps if you buy used, you won't need to trade the KLR (whatever it is! :)).
Ken


Try this: http://bit.ly/UfXoh7

:deal

ohgood 11-06-2012 05:07 AM

getting a scooter will negate all your preconceptions about about the dollars to fun ratio.

boats, will be penile extensions
4x4s, meer idiot transceivers
suvs, obstacles with fat smelly women in shock at your speed
dual sports, fatter pigs of poor transportation
dirt bikes, awesomer


do it

gec343 11-06-2012 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doogiepooch (Post 19977969)
Looking for a little advice or devil's advocate or encouragement....whatever you want to throw out. I'd be buying new, probably trading after the first of the year for a 13' 400 Burgman.

Been riding for about 6 years, see in my sig I've been into sport bikes and dual sports. This summer I rode my KLR from NC to Yellowstone and kind of discovered I think my real passion is motorcycle travel. I want to do a couple more big trips next summer. I ride every weekend, mostly with a level headed guy in his 50's or my dad who is in his early 60's. I'm a get out and go to new places and see new things type rider, not a how fast I can get there type rider, not that a maxi scooter is slow. And for all the dual sports I've had, I don't ride off road, I've been on gravel once this year. The storage and look of the 400 are what draws me to it. The dash, the backrest, all the cubby holes! I think the 400 will be about as quick as my KLR maybe even a little faster and from what I've read will definatly handle interstate better. I need to find someone local that will let me ride a 400 but in the meantime lets chat about them. Are they as comfortable as they look and feel? Showroom floor is all the time I've had on one. Interstate, yes I know they'll do it all day long but I want to hear from some guys that use them for travel. I've read some stuff about some oil burn if you hold it at high interstate speeds for hours on end, anything to this? I'm certainly familiar with singles burning oil at constant high speeds but will it do 70-75 mph without burning? Guys that have dropped from a bike to a scooter.....do you miss a bike much or do all the positive of a scooter make up for it?

I presently ride a Gold Wing, but within a couple of years I'll be switching to a maxi scooter, probably a Burgman 650, or possibly a SilverWing, BMW, etc Whatever I buy will have to be a twin cylinder, and ABS brakes are a must have, at least in my opinion.

oldhippie1 11-06-2012 06:14 AM

I've owned 95 two wheelers. Probably 6 were scooters. I have a 94 Helix with over 65000 miles. I had a 400 Burgman. I think I have my Guzzi sold and I'll never buy another m/c. The Burgman will do it all. Don't worry about oil consumption. You're not going to ride wide open throttle all day. It will go 100 mph if you want. Great wind protection and comfort. I didn't even need a taller windshiel. The best 2 wheeler I've ever owned.


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