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09Prodigy 11-11-2012 08:15 AM

Audi / VW - Educate me
 
Looking at buy a 2003 - 2006 Audi A4/6 or Passat

I have never owned a euro car and am ignorant as to the Maintenance and/or issues. I know there has to be some experience here and would like to hear your thoughts.

adam_c_eckhardt 11-11-2012 08:43 AM

I had an A4 that was slightly older than that and it was a maintenance pig. A true pain in the ass to own (and I owned it since it was new). Currently the wife owns a VW (2012) and it's been the only car we've owned together that hasn't had anything break in the first 10,000 miles. Probably just jinxed myself.

As wonderful as they are to drive, I'm not sure I'd want to buy one that was pushing ten years old. Things can get expensive.

jdiaz 11-11-2012 09:16 AM

Speaking from the VW side.....the 2006 Passat had nothing but black marks against it for electrical and AC issues, and it didn't help that they sold them from mid-2004 thru 2006. There are a lot of them out there for attractive prices, so be careful.

Don't know what your price range is, but it might be worth stepping up to a 2007 Passat.....we have one of those and can't really complain about the reliability after 80,000 miles. The car went back for a horn contact issue under warranty (it would beep at random while driving down the road), and I had to replace a headlight bulb. The 2.0T delivers 30mpg on the highway, and it has a ton of cargo space for a wagon. My only grumble is excessive oil consumption.

The filters, plugs, and engine oil are quite easy to change, and I usually take it to the dealer for coolant/brake fluid/tranny flushes when they have a coupon special. There are a ton of mail order VW parts outlets, and it is easy to get things in a hurry with a good discount.

skysailor 11-11-2012 09:17 AM

Something to keep in mind (and this is very true of BMWs, Benzes, etc.) is that, even though you're buying very used, you are buying a premium automobile, and your repair bills will reflect this. The A4 is a nice car. The four wheel drive system is very similar to that used by Subaru. Myself? I'd seriously look at the Subaru product.
Lyle

Kubla 11-11-2012 09:44 AM

2006 passat is not the same car as a 2005 passat, I owned a 2005, 2006 was first year of the transverse mounted engine (non Audi based) currently own a 2012 passat tdi

09Prodigy 11-11-2012 11:06 AM

Good info Thanks all!

TooFast 11-11-2012 12:27 PM

I wouldn't own either if it didn't have an OEM warranty,

kraut cars are just not as refined in the reliability dept as the japs or some american cars are now

These are known as $2k cars based on their repair costs at dealships per visit

IDRider 11-11-2012 01:10 PM

I have owned a 2003 A4 1.8T since new. It now has 169,000 miles on the clock. The car has been great. I have followed the maintenance plan, with 1 exception - oil changes every 5k miles VS 10k miles, I just had new rear brakes done and the hydraulic engine mounts needed to be changed. This and a replacement switch for the drivers side window is all it has needed.

Still have the original front brakes and shocks on the car. This did surprise the service manager.

Car does not rattle, tracks great, great MPG (~32 - 36). Pulls strong. I will buy another when this car id done. I fully expect to run this car until 250,000.

kobudo28 11-11-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam_c_eckhardt (Post 20019687)
I had an A4 that was slightly older than that and it was a maintenance pig. A true pain in the ass to own (and I owned it since it was new). Currently the wife owns a VW (2012) and it's been the only car we've owned together that hasn't had anything break in the first 10,000 miles. Probably just jinxed myself.

As wonderful as they are to drive, I'm not sure I'd want to buy one that was pushing ten years old. Things can get expensive.

:stupid:D Older Audi's can be money pits in a hurry. There are exceptions to the rule, but as been stated, they are on the higher end of cars and can get expensive. One of my techs has an A4 and some of his regular service bills are on the steep side.

NikonsAndVStroms 11-11-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TooFast (Post 20020821)
I wouldn't own either if it didn't have an OEM warranty,

kraut cars are just not as refined in the reliability dept as the japs or some american cars are now

These are known as $2k cars based on their repair costs at dealships per visit

:nod

There's a reason 12 year old BMW 3 series sell for roughly the same as a Honda Accord of the same year. Saab's are even cheaper, great to drive, and have countless issues :cry

a1fa 11-11-2012 01:29 PM

That was a bad time for Audi/VW. Skip that vintage!

09Prodigy 11-11-2012 02:00 PM

A buddy of mine has an older A4 and loves it (98-99), he is the one that encouraging me to look in that direction.

I think the girl may have a Maxima or Camry in her future though. I am a long time Toyota guy however had a 89 Maxima that ran flawlessly for 298,000 miles before the transmission started slipping.

Thanks for the info and everything you have told me coincides with the research I have done. Some are good. Most are money pits. I think it depends on the previous owners. Buying used is too much of an unknown.

TheMuffinMan 11-11-2012 03:00 PM

I have a 2005.5 Audi A4 w/2.0T (B7) engine with 145,000 miles. In the last 45,000 miles I've had to replace the turbo diverter valve, PCV valve, front suspension bushings, and waterpump temp sensor. Other then that the car's been great.

I also had the WP and timing belt replaced at 110k.

Mk5mike 11-11-2012 05:30 PM

If I was looking for easy to drive and maintain car I wouldn't buy any Vw/Audi from 1999 to 2008. Anything 2009 is a much better engines and bug fixed. This coming from a guy who has owned every generation of water cooled Vw.

bigsnowdog 11-11-2012 05:40 PM

I have a 2006 A6, currently have close to 90,000 miles on it, and no problems.


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