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SOS 11-22-2012 06:47 AM

Just another 650 ADV bike
 
A friend gave me a 1979 XS650 2F a few years ago that was sitting outside. It had no title and hadn't run in many years ... Just the way we like em:lol3

My brother and I picked it up and drug it back to my place. Getting old junk bikes is like Christmas morning for me and I can't wait to find and the rodent nests and spider webs packed into it. Under the seat on the XS it has the plastic document holder like a lot of the old bikes. Inside was the title signed off and notarized in the 80's:clap

I ran down to the title bureau this next morning and I was the legal owner of this gem.

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...7-12_001-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...fore%204-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...fore%202-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...fore%205-M.jpg

She's a beaut ain't she:D

The truth is that after I got the title I let it sit in my garage at home for a couple years promising myself I would not touch it until I had an actual plan and time to do it. I've done some other bikes and opened up a new shop for work since then. Also had many ideas for what the the 650 should be in its new life. Initially it was going to be a street tracker, then a bobber, thought about a cafe for awhile too. I really like the street tracker XS650s and that was it until I was searching Craigslist one morning and happened upon this jewel.

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...fore%203-M.jpg

A 1987 YZ125 basket case. After seeing a few pictures on this forum of a YZ650F that someone made I was hooked. Another 650 adventure bike it was. :evil

I put that YZ in the garage for a bit while I was working on my F11. Then the owner of a regional motorcycle paper, Midwest Motorcyclist, mentioned that if I wanted to run a series of articles on a motorcycle build he would be happy to support it. That was late Spring / early Summer. We talked about what to do and he liked the adventure bike idea and a possible second set up for supermoto duty. We are in the middle of this now, but here is what we have so far.

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...20YZ%203-L.jpg

A hybrid of the XS650 frame and motor with the YZ125 front and rear suspension, monoshock and wheels.

MightyChosen1 11-22-2012 09:00 AM

Cool , How does the YZ suspension handle the extra weight of the XS motor ? any sag?

I have been thinking about making my XS a full dual sport and YZ's pop up on C/L often with blown motors pretty cheap.

SOS 11-22-2012 10:19 AM

Sitting still the stock YZ spring is good with significant preload. I haven't tested it dynamically yet. Since then I picked up a YZ490 rolling chasis. That shock is the same, but the spring is nearly 1mm larger diameter. That should help quite a bit. Also I found progressive springs for the front that are the same outside diameter, about 12mm longer than the YZ. They have nea nearly twice the spring rate as the YZ.

I'll need to road test it before we determine springs, but there are options. I am trying to reduce the weight as much as possible at this stage.

hunter_greyghost 11-23-2012 10:20 AM

Looking good, a few more close-up photos please :clap
Cheers
Baza

SOS 11-23-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter_greyghost (Post 20103749)
Looking good, a few more close-up photos please :clap
Cheers
Baza

Here are a few more pics.

A few of the electrical plate and battery box:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/001-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/002-M.jpg

520 chain and sprocket mod:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/003-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/005-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/006-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/004-M.jpg

An aftermarket exhaust that is modified into a 2 into 1:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/007-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650.../0/M/008-M.jpg

SOS 11-23-2012 04:57 PM

Convertable
 
The long term plan is to have this as a convertible bike. I have a second set of wheels from the YZ490 that will get laced for supermoto duty. We also have an old YZ125 steel tank (approximately 1 gallon) that will get retro fit as a track day tank / seat to reduce the weight. The stock tank will serve as the everyday / ADV tank at 3.9 gallons.

Someone stopped by the shop after we closed tonight who like to do "stupid shit" to his bikes:ear I've never met him before, but we talked for a couple hours about different projects and past bikes ... he'll fit right in and already offered up good ideas about relocating the coils and mounting the smaller YZ tank.

hunter_greyghost 11-23-2012 08:03 PM

Looks really top notch, can't wait 'til you get it on deck & give us an evaluation of the finished product! :eek1
Did the YZ frontend take much fitting?, looks like you have a couple of extra holes to move the top end of the rear shock around too?
Cheers
Baza

SOS 11-24-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter_greyghost (Post 20106497)
Looks really top notch, can't wait 'til you get it on deck & give us an evaluation of the finished product! :eek1
Did the YZ frontend take much fitting?, looks like you have a couple of extra holes to move the top end of the rear shock around too?
Cheers
Baza

Thanks,

The front end from the 1987 YZ125 was much more involved than I had thought. We ended up cutting the stem out of the original XS650 lower tree, machining the lower plate of the YZ to accept the larger XS stem and pressing the XS stem into the ZY plate. Then we had to make a shim for the upper YZ tree to fit the XS stem.

We did that then I came accross the 1989 YZ490 and the top tree (rubber mounted bar mounts vice cast) fit right on the XS stem without any modification. The YZ490 lower tree might be a direct swap too, but I haven't tried to fit it just yet.

Here are some pics of the front triple tree mod:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Susp%201-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Susp%202-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Susp%203-M.jpg

SOS 11-24-2012 10:44 AM

I found some pics of the rear suspension mod. The aluminum mono shock swing arm bolted right up to the XS frame after we cut the rear peg loops off. We used the XS swingarm axle and no other mods. Mounting the upper and lower shock linkage was a much more time consuming project. Most of the stock YZ linkage was used along with the frame mounts that were cut of the YZ donner frame.

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Susp%201-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Susp%204-M.jpg

We needed to get the lower shock linkage mount as far forward as we could to get the travel to work and the shock not to bind. Once we got the lower mount on we could position the upper mount. I wanted to get the shock vertical to increase the effective spring rate, but we could not do that without the lower linkage binding. So we ended up just about parallel with the spine of the frame.

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...usp%2015-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...usp%2012-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...usp%2011-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Susp%206-M.jpg

No matter what we did the lower linkage would bind at about 4" of travel because we could not get the lower mount forward enough on the frame. So to get the full travel we had to make a shorter dog bone. That was mocked up with some aluminum plate and pins. Oh ... and a lot of trial and error:huh

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Susp%208-M.jpg

With this piece we can get 11" of rear travel. This is just a mockup and a friend with a CNC mill is reproducing the original with the new pivot points from the temporary piece.

hunter_greyghost 11-24-2012 08:20 PM

Thanks for posting those extra bits of information & photos, :eek1
thinking, thinking, thinking, cogs grinding, etc. :lol3
Cheers
Baza

SOS 11-26-2012 02:52 PM

Air Box Mod
 
I was going to just use UNI filters on the XS, but I was affraid they would get too wet and dirty without an air box. I was going to scrap the original air box, but I did a bit of fitup and it looks like it will work with the monoshock.

Here they are stock:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%202-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%201-M.jpg

The rear sections had to come off.

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%203-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%206-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%204-M.jpg

I'll plug the inlet on the lower side and cut a new one up top. Need to make up a bracket for the top to support them and it should be good. I can use the stock filters andthe side covers can be used once I get the tabs back in place.

BIG ED XT FAN 11-27-2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOS (Post 20122134)
I was going to just use UNI filters on the XS, but I was affraid they would get too wet and dirty without an air box. I was going to scrap the original air box, but I did a bit of fitup and it looks like it will work with the monoshock.

Here they are stock:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%202-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%201-M.jpg

The rear sections had to come off.

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%203-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%206-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...0Box%204-M.jpg

I'll plug the inlet on the lower side and cut a new one up top. Need to make up a bracket for the top to support them and it should be good. I can use the stock filters andthe side covers can be used once I get the tabs back in place.

Nice work!! The stock carbs may not work to good for you. The cv part of the carb, may hang-up on you. ED XS 650 FAN!!!

SOS 11-28-2012 04:13 AM

I know Mikunis round slides are popular and getting away from the CV carbs might be better for lower end response. I'm sure there will be a lot of tweaking once it actually gets road worthy:D

BIG ED XT FAN 12-01-2012 09:03 AM

Up-Dates???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SOS (Post 20132827)
I know Mikunis round slides are popular and getting away from the CV carbs might be better for lower end response. I'm sure there will be a lot of tweaking once it actually gets road worthy:D

No work on the 650??:lol3:lol3

SOS 12-01-2012 10:29 AM

A Bit.
 
I got the bracket made to hols the air boxes together and in place. Made some tabes to hang the side covers. I was not intending on using the original side covers, but I changed my mind. Unfortunately I had already cut the tabs off to mount the upper shock brace.

Also started to fit the small tank. The front mounts are fine, but the tunnel doesn't clear the coils or the upper motor mount. I'll have to relocate the coils, but the upper motor mount is a funky 3 piece deal on each side. Not sure why, but Ill make a 1 piece set and the clearance issue will go away.

Not much to show, but here's some pics with the stock tank and the side covers remounted:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Body%206-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Body%205-M.jpg

And with the small tank mocked up:

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Body%202-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Body%203-M.jpg

http://mcsol.smugmug.com/Other/XS650...Body%204-M.jpg

I am lengthening the kick stand today, but the welder is giving mefits so that will have to wait.:cry


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