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JustKip 11-29-2012 07:05 PM

The monster Monster thread! (formerly Why not a Monster)
 
In the Hyperstrada thread I mentioned that that new bike might sway me from my intended purchase of a new Monster, and I recieved this reply...
Quote:

@justkip. Dont get a monster. Trust me.
and it got me wondering just WTF is wrong with a Monster?
Is there anybody who's not a n00b with 8 posts saying "trust me" with any real reason not to get a Monster?

I loved the ride of the 900M I test rode years ago, and love the look of most naked roadsters.
Why should I trust some annonymous poster with no reasons expressed? I understand that the seat on the new 796 and 1100 Evo are much more comfortable and don't crush you against the tank, and that was my only complaint, but I haven't ridden either of the new ones yet.

single 11-29-2012 07:25 PM

I think the original older monsters might be overall better bikes then modern ones. Modern ones seem to have a bunch of wonky programming in the fueling/ECU/emissions equipment designed to shoehorn the ancient air cooled motor designs to pass modern standards. After driving a modern 1100 Evo for a bit, there's no way I could live with that bike day to day, especially with it's below 4000 RPM behavior.

seevtsaab 11-29-2012 07:32 PM

No reason not to, if it speaks to you, and fits you.
Dollar for dollar, might not be the most rational choice, but that's not why we we choose motorcycles.
Air cooled naked, sporty bike, what's not to love?
A tad fiddley come valve adjustments time but nothing a dedicated noob couldn't handle.

GSAragazzi 11-29-2012 07:37 PM

Friend of mine used to own an old 900 Monster and loved it. Seemed very reliable and great for city use. The sound fom the Termi pipes was great as well. Other than the crazy valve maintenance schedule I would go for one if I was looking for a gret bike at a great price. Furthermore, you can -assume- that most are well kept bc of the demographics that buy them new. Yes I know, there is always n exception. Come to think of it, I may want one myself.

noman 11-29-2012 07:38 PM

had a 2002 M750 for 4 seasons, loved it. great handling, brakes and looks. simple 2v, no probs, tasteful and/or performance mods easy to come by. had BCM re-spring the front for me, heaven.

new ones look a little wonky to me, and pricey. have you looked at a pre-plastic tank model?



http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...52/monster.jpg

kraven 11-29-2012 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustKip (Post 20145591)
In the Hyperstrada thread I mentioned that that new bike might sway me from my intended purchase of a new Monster, and I recieved this reply...

and it got me wondering just WTF is wrong with a Monster?
Is there anybody who's not a n00b with 8 posts saying "trust me" with any real reason not to get a Monster?

This is why it bugs me so much when some assbutt on the intertubes says "trust me." Sod off, dude. I don't know you. You're trying to convince me of something, so do it. Use your words like a big boy! :deal

Snatchy throttle, low rpm response, and the bargain bin suspension on SOME monsters make them a no-bueno deal for me. Though some monsters came with better parts than others.
But if you want one you should go get one. I meter a bike by how well it does in 35mph traffic stopngo, tiight turns, and zipping down backroads. Il Monstro 900 was bellissimo on the backroads at 45mph + for me.

Screw it. You only live once. Buy it. :freaky

10/10ths 11-29-2012 08:17 PM

I own a 1997 Monster....
 
...and I love this machine. The new Monsters aren't as simple and easy to service as the old ones. If you want a Monster, go for it!

I'd buy the new 20th anniversary model.

If the stock fueling troubles you, invest in the DP ECU and Termi exhaust and you should be fine.

Let us know.

GSAragazzi 11-29-2012 08:29 PM

:super

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...52/monster.jpg[/QUOTE]

Grainbelt 11-29-2012 08:33 PM

Love the old steel tank models. I'll take a 750 in red, please. :thumb

The new ones leave me cold. Plastic panels covering the frame, silly green goblin eyeholes in the tank, more plumbing.... I dunno. The Aprilia Shiver seems a bit more coherent to me than the new monsters. Uglier, but at least they aren't pretending it is pretty. :lol3

bk brkr baker 11-29-2012 09:11 PM

http://bikebreakerbaker.smugmug.com/...12%20093-L.jpg

I bought my '96 M-900 with 3000 miles on it. Now it shows an additional 25,000 . It always makes me smile and encourages me to wick it up.
I've seen '96 models for sale around $3000 . If you can find a good one , that hasn't been abused , get it.

Emperor Norton 11-29-2012 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustKip (Post 20145591)
In the Hyperstrada thread I mentioned that that new bike might sway me from my intended purchase of a new Monster, and I recieved this reply...

and it got me wondering just WTF is wrong with a Monster?
Is there anybody who's not a n00b with 8 posts saying "trust me" with any real reason not to get a Monster?

I loved the ride of the 900M I test rode years ago, and love the look of most naked roadsters.
Why should I trust some annonymous poster with no reasons expressed? I understand that the seat on the new 796 and 1100 Evo are much more comfortable and don't crush you against the tank, and that was my only complaint, but I haven't ridden either of the new ones yet.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-H...710_101935.jpg

I had a M695 monster that I sold for a F650GS-T. I didn't like the range of the monster, I didn't like that I couldn't put much baggage on it (I paid the Termi tax and had the hi-set pipes) and after riding in the city found I vastly preferred the riding position of the R1200/F800. As my only bike it just didn't do it. However, as a second bike Id love to have another monster.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...710_080707.jpg

AKDuc 11-30-2012 02:12 AM

Loved my S4R. My ace Ducati mechanic has owned it the last few years but it may be mine again soon. :wink:

I say if you want one then get it! Good luck and have fun, Mark H.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../P1010068x.jpg

Moronic 11-30-2012 03:53 AM

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-FWQz...-FWQzNk6-L.jpg


Hopelessly impractical, tiny fuel range, poor running stock below 3500rpm, shockingly expensive to run, old-fashioned steering, not very comfortable stock, bits fall off ... need I go on. :deal

Funny thing is, I can't get rid of it. Can't quite believe I'll get the same kick from anything else. :lol3

There are Monsters and Monsters tho. Which one attracted you? I'd imagine the new EVOs are superb solo all-rounders with question marks over only the stock suspension and the shortage of top-end zip (if that matters - I think they do about 90hp at the wheel). Steering updated, I believe (as in, quicker). Running costs too should be much more reasonable than on mine, with the 2V air-cooled motor and wet clutch.

One of the journos at Bike UK had an M1100s (the Ohlins version) for a year and raved about it. Even thought it was brilliant on long high-speed trips.

Funny thing is, that "traditional" naked riding stance, leaning a fair way forward onto low-ish 'bars, is a bit wearing around town but comes into its own on the highway. Cruising at 70-80mph you are beautifully balanced against the breeze. Can't see that from the new Hyper: you'd be relying on the 'screen.

Perhaps your dissuading poster thought the Monster would not answer your stated riding needs.

JustKip 11-30-2012 06:04 AM

Thanks for all the thoughtful responses. I understand the "Termi-tax" solution to low end snatchy throttle response, and am willing to pay it. I love low end power delivery of a twin, compared to multicylinder bikes. I've been thinking 1100 evo, but a 796 might be acceptable. I like big piston torque though, so that might not be enough. My local dealer has a nice used S4R, but I find the radiator hidious...like a marks-a-lot moustache on the Venus de Milo

My R12GS is my touring bike, so I don't need fuel range or luggage capacity. I want the bike entirely for "local" rides, as I'm surrounded by roads like this...

http://climber.org/driving/images/Mo...tateForest.gif

spezjag 11-30-2012 06:11 AM

I love my '02 S4:

http://p1.bikepics.com/2004/11/15/bi...243938-800.jpg


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