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chiefrider 12-11-2012 02:17 PM

The last Chief? What's happening at Indian?
 
This from thekneeslider.com, 12/11/12:

"... I see Indian just rolled out the 2013 Indian Chief Vintage Final Edition, stressing at the same time:
that this is only the end of a model, not a line. Many more Indians are coming, … customers can expect to see the historic brand attached to new styles, aimed at new segments of the market, within the next few months.
Interesting, new Indian styles and new market segments, I wonder what’s on the way."

Is Polaris/Victory giving us a clean-sheet design on a new Indian? Or will they slash bold new graphics and various handlebars and whitewalls ala the same old criuser formulas we've seen so much of? Or will we get rebadged Victorys?

Has anybody anywhere spotted prototypes or published leaked information? Inquiring minds want to know!

Just me myself, I would like Polaris to break away from the vintage-wannabe chuffers and build what Indian used to make--touring and sport bikes.

Tom in Salem

rocker59 12-11-2012 02:21 PM

Maybe they'll just throw a Victory engine into that "wonderful" CMC clone platform...

:pot

JustKip 12-11-2012 02:36 PM

Oh...you haven't heard?
They have a new air cooled 3 cylinder in the works!


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8493/8...74f50238_z.jpg










:hide

woodnbow 12-11-2012 03:52 PM

V-twin's restyled by the Polaris Razor team... :puke1

JerryH 12-11-2012 04:28 PM

Those 25 bikes are probably what Polaris assembled with existing parts. If Indian is going to survive, I think it will have to do so with bike that are competitive in both price and performance with other similar bikes. Nothing wrong with a retro bike, but they need something else too. And still the price and quality need to be competitive. They need to be viable motorcycles, not rolling works of art.

And that W-3 is old news. The late Jim Fueling developed a completely workable W-3 for Harley, then Harley backed out. It would have only required Harley to add 6 new parts. It supposedly produced 150 HP.

JustKip 12-11-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryH (Post 20228397)
And that W-3 is old news. The late Jim Fueling developed a completely workable W-3 for Harley, then Harley backed out. It would have only required Harley to add 6 new parts. It supposedly produced 150 HP.

That was a joke. The engine pictured was a working Moto Guzzi prototype from 1984.

But if Indian is going to survive they need to get innovative, and personally, I think a 3 cyl "headdress" would be a good inovation in an open hard tail framed w/plunger-type rear shock on a bike called "Indian". They would have to get creative with cooling for that rear cylinder though.


And on a more serious note, they need more than one high priced model range. Harley has Sportster, Dyna, Softail, Touring, and...that liquid cooled one that nobody buys. Indian had/has one bike, with varying trim levels.



They need to have bikes you just can't live without and can't get anywhere else, while still honoring thier tradition...

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.47343...25913&pid=15.1http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.48849...23954&pid=15.1

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.49528...27602&pid=15.1http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.46486...99672&pid=15.1

Gas Hog 12-11-2012 05:31 PM

That article is very contradictory, but apparently the old Indian company was still making bikes..before the official Polaris takeover??
Doesn't make sense but there is a ton of stuff happening behind the scenes at Polaris for the Indian brand. Cant wait :wink:
Gary

chiefrider 12-11-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gas Hog (Post 20228933)
That article is very contradictory, but apparently the old Indian company was still making bikes..before the official Polaris takeover??
Doesn't make sense but there is a ton of stuff happening behind the scenes at Polaris for the Indian brand. Cant wait :wink:
Gary

It hasn't been the "old Indian company" since 1953. The Springfield Factory closed the doors after a small batch of 1953 Roadmasters. Bikes with the Indian name since were widely sourced, from badged Royal Enfields, clone choppers with fat fenders, like CMC, and assembled parts from ample spares and available bolt ons, like the Sammy Pierce Scouts, and weird things like Floyd Clymer's rebranded Italian minibikes and European/British roadsters, and the really not-half-bad Taiwanese two-smoke lightweights of the early 70s. There were gaps and many who tried to revive the name. We won't discuss the Indian mopeds....

Before starting this thread, I should've looked at the Indian (Victory/Polaris) website. Anyway, Indian has already partially answered my question, with a teaser video. .

Found this:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ToIqheE59m0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tom in Salem

JerryH 12-11-2012 06:44 PM

Ah yes, Floyd Clymer. I have a huge stack of his manuals. Back then the Indian name was worthless, and nobody cared who used it. I almost bought an Indian moped back in 1980, but it was a four stroke, and slower than the Peugeot I eventually bought. It was made in Asia. But you are right, Indian ended in 1953, 60 years ago. The only "real" Indians are vintage Indians. It's time to drop it and come up with something new. Next thing you know someone will be trying to bring back Edsel.

Anorak 12-11-2012 07:28 PM

How about these?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...00/Indians.jpg

Gas Hog 12-12-2012 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefrider (Post 20229108)
It hasn't been the "old Indian company" since 1953.

Yea no kidding :huh What I meant was the ..Last Indian bike company..before Polaris bought them :*sip*

There are some really cool bikes coming but I think the price will be more than I want to handle..but its only money
Gary

mrbreeze 12-12-2012 03:03 PM

I always thought the Chief was supposed to be an in line 4, but what do I know? I am certainly no expert on the marque.

rocker59 12-12-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbreeze (Post 20235796)
I always thought the Chief was supposed to be an in line 4, but what do I know? I am certainly no expert on the marque.

Do tell...

chiefrider 12-13-2012 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gas Hog (Post 20231901)
Yea no kidding :huh What I meant was the ..Last Indian bike company..before Polaris bought them :*sip*

There are some really cool bikes coming but I think the price will be more than I want to handle..but its only money
Gary

Indians the last dozen years or so have been very expensive as the numbers produced and sold barely qualified them as mass produced. Plus, Indian hasn't produced their own in-house drivetrain since 1953 (yeah, the latest version looks a little different from the Evo Harley clone it's patterened after, but internals are still Harley-S&S-Revtech-whatever spec).

Polaris/Victory has the corporate money, muscle, mojo, and mental acumen to expand Indian into a viable brand again, like the "new" Triumphs, with enough engineering knowhow and production capability to make their Indian into a mass-market motorcycle with competitive pricing.

I hope they aren't trying to bring out another modern antique. The original Indian company was never about that.

Tom in Salem

rocker59 12-13-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Anorak (Post 20229934)

No one answered, but the "Vindian" is pretty badass! :thumb


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