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Yukicore 12-27-2012 06:09 AM

How to remove ''Reduced Effect'' effects from my motorcycle?
 
I own a Kreidler Enduro 125 DD (Reduced Effect), I've heard that the Reduced Effect thing is like a kW/HP limiter, and it is used to limit power, so that the bike fits the corresponding countries limits.

And I am wondering about how can I take this limit off, or increase power, or however the power has been taken away from normal edition of the bike, as the engine, everything is exactly the same.

Otherwise my bike's top speed is capped at 90Km/h, and for my country it's too slow outside cities, almost everyone drives 10km/h over speed limit. I wouldn't be able to overtake anyone, if necessary. I usually only drive at countryside or in cities, but I could really use some extra power. I bought this bike as used, and I read that you can take the reduced effects off, but just don't know how.

Reduced effect - http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/kre...ffect_2008.php

Normal - http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/kre...25_dd_2008.php

ttpete 12-27-2012 01:39 PM

Here's a forum site that you might find useful. It seems that the exhaust is restricted. It may say Kreidler on the tank, but the bike is made in China.

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...(aka-Qlink-etc)

Yukicore 12-27-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ttpete (Post 20339474)
Here's a forum site that you might find useful. It seems that the exhaust is restricted. It may say Kreidler on the tank, but the bike is made in China.

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...(aka-Qlink-etc)

Thanks, I know it's China, well many of worldwide production is being made in China. But as far as I know the engine is from a Suzuki. And overall it's not a bad bike at all, from what I can tell.

I have some weird issue with air delivery to carburetor, it has a single, unfiltered wire going at the opposite side of where the exhaust, in the area there, when I close it, bike RPM's go very steady, however when revving it starts stalling (with wire closed), but when open, the RPM's sometimes drop so low, that it just stalls by itself, especially after driving for a while and the stopping. Do you know what might be the solution.

Do you think that I can look in the exhaust for something that blocks the performance? Or I have to change the exhaust?
I am really almost experience-less with engines, bikes, everything on wheels really. Please help!

ttpete 12-27-2012 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukicore (Post 20339742)
Thanks, I know it's China, well many of worldwide production is being made in China. But as far as I know the engine is from a Suzuki. And overall it's not a bad bike at all, from what I can tell.

I have some weird issue with air delivery to carburetor, it has a single, unfiltered wire going at the opposite side of where the exhaust, in the area there, when I close it, bike RPM's go very steady, however when revving it starts stalling (with wire closed), but when open, the RPM's sometimes drop so low, that it just stalls by itself, especially after driving for a while and the stopping. Do you know what might be the solution.

Do you think that I can look in the exhaust for something that blocks the performance? Or I have to change the exhaust?
I am really almost experience-less with engines, bikes, everything on wheels really. Please help!

The exhaust probably has a catalytic converter in it, and maybe a restriction as well. The carburetor could have something in it that limits the throttle opening or there could be a restrictor between the carburetor and engine. I think you'll have to get some professional help here. See if there's an independently owned repair shop locally.

Yukicore 12-28-2012 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ttpete (Post 20339849)
The exhaust probably has a catalytic converter in it, and maybe a restriction as well. The carburetor could have something in it that limits the throttle opening or there could be a restrictor between the carburetor and engine. I think you'll have to get some professional help here. See if there's an independently owned repair shop locally.

Do you think that might fix the stalling issue too? When I bought the bike the owner said that I have to leave the choke out at all times.

ttpete 12-28-2012 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukicore (Post 20343013)
Do you think that might fix the stalling issue too? When I bought the bike the owner said that I have to leave the choke out at all times.

You have bigger problems, maybe a clogged idle jet. Get some help.

Yukicore 12-28-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ttpete (Post 20344076)
You have bigger problems, maybe a clogged idle jet. Get some help.

The bike was barely used, and it goes really good, just the thing that rpm's drop when idle, and it has something to do with the wire, as the RPM's get steady when I close it, however if I give it more gas it stalls...

The bike doesn't stall if I give it more gas when idle (without touching the wire). I don't think that anything is clogged.

It's some kind of power or air issue. Can you possibly find this bike's carburetor blue-prints? It would be useful, as I would know what exactly the fire is, it connects with carburetor, but what does it do and how it should look, I don't think that just unfiltered wire is how it should look.

Tweaker 12-28-2012 02:41 PM

What exactly do you mean by a wire closed, open and unfiltered?

Yukicore 12-28-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweaker (Post 20346667)
What exactly do you mean by a wire closed, open and unfiltered?

I have a wire, a tube... coming from the bottom of the carburetor, and at the end of it there is nothing, I found it just laying next and under bike's seat.

When looking for a picture to post I found my carburetor with tube coming out just where my ''mysterious'' tube is coming from (that's the bottom) http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...r-25-28mm-.jpg

oldxr 12-30-2012 01:33 AM

That tube is the float bowl drain-there is a screw on the float bowl that lets gas drain out of this tube.This is normal.You probably have a partially plugged pilot jet-this happens more from lack of use/bike sitting with old gas.If you are not familiar with motorcycle repair find a good shop.If the bike is run at speed with plugged carb jets the engine can be damaged from running too lean.

Yukicore 12-30-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oldxr (Post 20355747)
That tube is the float bowl drain-there is a screw on the float bowl that lets gas drain out of this tube.This is normal.You probably have a partially plugged pilot jet-this happens more from lack of use/bike sitting with old gas.If you are not familiar with motorcycle repair find a good shop.If the bike is run at speed with plugged carb jets the engine can be damaged from running too lean.

Thank you for your answer!

Partially plugged pilot jet? What does that mean? And what do you mean sitting with old gas? You mean like... gasoline? Or gas, the one at the bottom of the carburetor?

Can I unplug those jets by myself? Though I'm not sure that's the case, the bike is running clean, but when used for a while, then randomly it sometimes is just starting to stall, give it some gas, it steadies, and sometimes it will start to stall again and sometimes not. It's not a constant issue, it's sometimes there, sometimes it's not.

With my logic and experience I can conclude this - The carburetor is sometimes exhausting the gas trough the tube, when idle, too fast pace, somehow interfering, disrupting normal carburetor operation. However if I put something at the end of the tube (piece of coarse cloth), to slow down the exhaustion of the gas, when Idle bike works perfect, however when revving, the cloth then interferes with the exhaustion process by blocking the gas, also disrupting carburetor operation.

Is it really normal that the tube is without any filters, just a tube?

If only there would be a filter, which blocks the gas when idle and lets it go when revving, actually this is a commonly used mechanism - as the flow increases the way opens up. I only need to know if this wouldn't harm the carburetor in a long term usage.

Also this could be very much related to bike being in ''reduced effect'' state. Blocking something in it's operations may cause reduced power and also cause some problems with stalling. Does anyone know precisely how the ''reduced effect'' feature is added. Because, as I mentioned before, majority of parts are the same as a ''normal edition'' bike, even the price. (just not for me, as I bought it used)

Yukicore 01-02-2013 09:18 PM

I still need help!

kirkkw 01-03-2013 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukicore (Post 20359216)
Thank you for your answer!

Partially plugged pilot jet? What does that mean? And what do you mean sitting with old gas? You mean like... gasoline? Or gas, the one at the bottom of the carburetor?

Can I unplug those jets by myself? Though I'm not sure that's the case, the bike is running clean, but when used for a while, then randomly it sometimes is just starting to stall, give it some gas, it steadies, and sometimes it will start to stall again and sometimes not. It's not a constant issue, it's sometimes there, sometimes it's not.

With my logic and experience I can conclude this - The carburetor is sometimes exhausting the gas trough the tube, when idle, too fast pace, somehow interfering, disrupting normal carburetor operation. However if I put something at the end of the tube (piece of coarse cloth), to slow down the exhaustion of the gas, when Idle bike works perfect, however when revving, the cloth then interferes with the exhaustion process by blocking the gas, also disrupting carburetor operation.

Is it really normal that the tube is without any filters, just a tube?


As to the jets - the previous poster meant the jet is dirty and needs to be cleaned. Cleaning the jets means, generally, taking the float bowl off the carb to gain access to the jets. The jets are what regulate the amount of fuel flowing through the carb and into the engine after being mixed with air. It is a fairly simple job to clean the jets but it requires some dis-assembly of the carb and good carb cleaner. Sometimes it requires some soaking of parts to remove the old fuel varnish that has accumulated inside the jet. Google motorcycle carb jet to get an idea of this.

Generally, a blocked carb jet will result in consistent engine behaviour at the same engine speed (RPM). The carb has more than one jet. Often there are 3 jets: idle, mid and large.

I don't understand much of what you are trying to describe above.

Seems you need to take the bike for assistance.

mjydrafter 01-03-2013 10:39 AM

That "wire" is the overflow, as mentioned, it's actually a just a drain tube. If the engine running changes, if that is plugged vs. unplugged it tells me you have other passages in the carb that are probably plugged (the jets). Although, with the drain closed, plugged vs. unplugged shouldn't make a difference.

I am guessing if you just take it apart (carefully), clean everything (carefully) and put it back together (carefully) you may get it back to operating correctly.

The jets are very tiny holes in brass screw pieces in side the carb that get plugged with solidified fuel (especially if left sitting with modern fuels). Older fuel used to leave "varnish" deposits, modern stuff leaves a white snot shit that is just as if not nastier than the old varnish. You need to be careful with carbs as any ham-fisted repair attempts will fail with only expensive replacement parts as the cure.

You are on the right track wanting a carb "blueprint", you need to search for the carb's manual (which will probably end up being an exploded diagram).

If the picture you posted is really your carb, it's pretty simple. The biggest problem with these will be the soft brass screws getting damaged during removal. You need to have some decent screwdrivers to get them out in some cases.

Yukicore 01-04-2013 01:18 PM

Thanks to both of you, kirkkw & mjydrafter.

Even if I'm not sure that the problem is a clogged jet, cleaning the carburetor won't harm anybody, if done correctly.
Just I won't do it myself, as I am afraid that I might damage something. But for now the bike is at my country side, I assume that it's not very harmful if I'd still use it a little bit?

Also, just to be sure, you can adjust the fuel dosage with the jets, right? Maybe the main issue, the ''Reduced effect'' issue, was caused by carburetor, as I had to pull the choke fully out for the bike to be functional at idle.


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