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ADVCoop 03-21-2013 01:51 PM

Side stands and lean angle
 
How far to most trials bikes lean when on the side stand? My 1992 GT25 seems to lean really far (picture below). Is it bent or is that normal?

And before someone asks, yes I did cut the bars down :D . In this pic they were full width, 32.5". They are closer to 30" now.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps08dd8910.jpg

lamotovita 03-21-2013 03:06 PM

That looks pretty typical.
Most Trials bike side stands seem to have been designed by lever and grip salesmen.

ADVCoop 03-21-2013 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamotovita (Post 21002969)
That looks pretty typical.
Most Trials bike side stands seem to have been designed by lever and grip salesmen.

Haha thanks!

SnoDrtRider 03-22-2013 06:00 AM

My 1980 Cota 200 leans pretty far. It was worse when I first got it but I heated and bent the stand to align it with the swing arm figuring that was the best place for it to keep it from hitting obstacles.

Here it is on the lift with a 1" rubber mat under the stand... I was afraid it would roll off the side without the mat under the stand!

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...81198821_o.jpg

Sting32 03-22-2013 07:11 AM

There has to be a picture somewhere on the internet (google) of your bike, new or semi new, on a kickstand, go search.

Trials kickstands, are lightweight and weak, yet I see former dirt bike riders that like to stand on them, and kick start the bikes. This has been a NO NO (in my family) for trials riders since I was about 9 (like in or around 74) so I kind of cringe when I see that, lol.

I think yours is bent, probably right at the pivot, that slight bend at the 4 or so inches from bottom is normal. FWIW! many times as not, they get bent the other way, & stick way to straight up and down, because the bike fell over in semi soft ground, that allows the bike to overcome the angle, yet hard enough that weight of bike bends the stand clear in under the bike, almost.

I hit the Kick Stand, which is mounted on the swingarm, a LOT, when I jump onto big rocks, which bends on the mounting bracket part. Most of my buddies take the kickstand off and lean bikes on a a tree, just because how the kickstand can hang when you jump big rocks. I just dont like when at the Hauler, or in the shop, I have to find a place to lean the bike. so I just live with it.

motojunky 03-22-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sting32 (Post 21007406)
There has to be a picture somewhere on the internet (google) of your bike, new or semi new, on a kickstand, go search.

Trials kickstands, are lightweight and weak, yet I see former dirt bike riders that like to stand on them, and kick start the bikes. This has been a NO NO (in my family) for trials riders since I was about 9 (like in or around 74) so I kind of cringe when I see that, lol.

I think yours is bent, probably right at the pivot, that slight bend at the 4 or so inches from bottom is normal. FWIW! many times as not, they get bent the other way, & stick way to straight up and down, because the bike fell over in semi soft ground, that allows the bike to overcome the angle, yet hard enough that weight of bike bends the stand clear in under the bike, almost.

I hit the Kick Stand, which is mounted on the swingarm, a LOT, when I jump onto big rocks, which bends on the mounting bracket part. Most of my buddies take the kickstand off and lean bikes on a a tree, just because how the kickstand can hang when you jump big rocks. I just dont like when at the Hauler, or in the shop, I have to find a place to lean the bike. so I just live with it.

My Scorpa kickstand/bracket has been bent/damaged/repaired at least once, and still doesn't work well. A previous owner wasn't able to start it without standing on the pegs while the bike was on the stand so she did what she had to do. I just took the stand off and have been meaning to repair it for a couple of years now. I mostly don't mind finding a tree to lean the bike on, but occasionally have to screw around at a section looking for a parking spot and wish for the stand.

broncobowsher 03-22-2013 08:44 AM

I started with a '96 Fantic. Very upright. It fell over all the time. I went in and tweeked the kickstand a few times. As in cut and weld so it would swing further away but still tuck in nicely when folded. Got slightly better, which was a huge improvment. The Fantic would high side in the garage if the tires bleed down or low side if the kickstand sank more then an inch. Still the best thing was to lean it against a tree or a rock if possible.

Then I stepped up to a new '12 Sherco. It leans way over. But stable as can be. I think if fell once in the past year. No longer do I need to find the right twig or rock to properly space shim the kickstand. It may lean, but is often more stable leaning like that then with me riding it.

If it don't fall over and it swings up into a nice tucked away position then everything is fine.

ADVCoop 03-22-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by motojunky (Post 21007596)
mostly don't mind finding a tree to lean the bike on, but occasionally have to screw around at a section looking for a parking spot and wish for the stand.

That's mainly why I asked. I doubt it will get used much other than parked in the garage. But it just seemed to lean really far.

And yes I searched for pictures, however I figured asking a trials related question in a trials forum was ok. But no matter what you ask Sting seems annoyed by the question LOL. :D

lamotovita 03-22-2013 10:17 AM

You may have the suspension spring preload set too high on the Gas Gas. It should sag a bit and then the bike won't lean so far over.

ADVCoop 03-22-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lamotovita (Post 21008735)
You may have the suspension spring preload set too high on the Gas Gas. It should sag a bit and then the bike won't lean so far over.

Good point. We have had so much snow I have only ridden it once so I haven't messed with the suspension at all. The previous owner weighed a good bit more than me so maybe he cranked it down.

Sting32 03-24-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ADVCoop (Post 21008110)
That's mainly why I asked. I doubt it will get used much other than parked in the garage. But it just seemed to lean really far.

And yes I searched for pictures, however I figured asking a trials related question in a trials forum was ok. But no matter what you ask Sting seems annoyed by the question LOL. :D

Naw, you just read it that way. If I had a the picture I would hapily posted it, but what I "too annoyed" I guess, to tell you was the rest of what I bothered to tell you in the post, huh? jesus.

Never mind, I can't help and can't even sugges? t not everyone might have thought of that... I guess I wont.

ADVCoop 03-24-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sting32 (Post 21025191)
Naw, you just read it that way. If I had a the picture I would hapily posted it, but what I "too annoyed" I guess, to tell you was the rest of what I bothered to tell you in the post, huh? jesus.

Never mind, I can't help and can't even sugges? t not everyone might have thought of that... I guess I wont.

Sorry man I really was just joking about the annoyed part, I thought the smiley and "LOL" would show that. That's my fault for this misunderstanding. I always appreciate any help anybody takes time to give.

turnsleft 03-24-2013 09:43 PM

My montesa leans over enough that I put a 4X4 under it so it will get closer to my other bikes. The bent [end] part goes above the axel when up. My Gas Gas don't lean as much.:D

http://turnsleft.smugmug.com/Other/T...IMG_0735-M.jpg

Sting32 03-25-2013 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADVCoop (Post 21025714)
Sorry man I really was just joking about the annoyed part, I thought the smiley and "LOL" would show that. That's my fault for this misunderstanding. I always appreciate any help anybody takes time to give.

Here's pictures best I can do, of my 08 Raga not that much changed, very
much on kickstands... FWIW. (bike is sold, I dont have any shots you actually
could directly compare with your shot)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bgcm5rfolfdansu/bD3_-jNkwY

Other than tiny little things about it like how it is made I guess, they're interchangeable I bet you.
They still end up leaning about the same, from 04 though the 11 & 12 raga's we have.

FWIW, I HAVE had 8 bikes in the garage at one time, I still say until stand is
messed up, they all lean pretty much, the same amount. it looked like a
dealership at the time, lool...

ADVCoop 03-26-2013 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sting32 (Post 21031694)
Here's pictures best I can do, of my 08 Raga not that much changed, very
much on kickstands... FWIW. (bike is sold, I dont have any shots you actually
could directly compare with your shot)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bgcm5rfolfdansu/bD3_-jNkwY

Other than tiny little things about it like how it is made I guess, they're interchangeable I bet you.
They still end up leaning about the same, from 04 though the 11 & 12 raga's we have.

FWIW, I HAVE had 8 bikes in the garage at one time, I still say until stand is
messed up, they all lean pretty much, the same amount. it looked like a
dealership at the time, lool...

Thanks for the pictures. If the snow ever stops I was going to check to see if it was bent like you suggested earlier (not in the middle but up by the swingarm) and check the shock pre-load.

Awesome on the 8 bikes! I had 11 bikes one time, but almost half were non running projects in pieces. I got annoyed one day at the lack of working room I had and sold them all but two. I kept a road bike and a dirt bike. Since then I have tried to keep my collection small. Right now I have a dual sport and the trials bike (plus my wife's two bikes).


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