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Lobby 09-07-2005 11:53 AM

4 stroke Scooter Advice
 
My wife is really jonesing for a scooter. But she doesn't want a 2 stroke.

So what do you all know about 4 stroke scooters?
- Reliability?
- Brands? Vespa clones?
- can they be souped up? :evil

I think my wife would want something that would do 45mph. Me? I want it to do 65 - 70, just in case. :evil :evil

So far, I'm aware of the new Vespas (ET2 and ET2) but they're really pricey. I've seen this scooter clone (Bajaj sp?) that on the surface looks nice.

What say the intelligentsia?

:lurk

mlaotn 09-07-2005 11:55 AM

www.tngscooters.comThey have these at a scooter shop near me. The Baja 150 is a decent adventure scooter with enough power to go fast.

MountainMan 09-07-2005 11:58 AM

The Bajaj is a Vespa PX/Stella but with a 4 stroke motor..
and drum brakes front and rear (same as Vespa.. Stella gets disc front)
and a cheaper suspension than the Stella...
and slower.. :bueller

same chassis and parts.. for the most part.

ToxicKim 09-07-2005 12:02 PM

I take it you've ruled out the Silver Wing and Burgman? Those will tour cross-country.

RoadNotTaken 09-07-2005 12:08 PM

Aprilia
 
Have you looked into the Aprilia's at all. The Atlantic line looks pretty sweet and I've been told the Atlantic 500 will do near 100!!

http://www.apriliausa.com/models03/s...ng/mondo.phtml

Nemesis 09-07-2005 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MountainMan
The Bajaj is a Vespa PX/Stella but with a 4 stroke motor..
and drum brakes front and rear (same as Vespa.. Stella gets disc front)
and a cheaper suspension than the Stella...
and slower.. :bueller

same chassis and parts.. for the most part.

Minor point, but the current PX also has a front disk.

Knighthawk 09-07-2005 12:52 PM

Not sure if it's available in the states, but this scooter gives me a warm and fuzzy.

Peugeot Jet Force Compressor 125

http://www.jacknicemotorcycles.co.uk.../main/comp.jpg

Caribou Aqua Buddha 09-07-2005 01:09 PM

I think 200-250cc four strokes would be about perfect. About like old Riva we had.
I don't really care for all those 500cc type deals, they cost more than a motorcycle, and don't really get good mileage.
Not sure what size this scooter is,....

http://bentspoke.smugmug.com/photos/32519342-S.jpg

Lobby 09-07-2005 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToxicKim
I take it you've ruled out the Silver Wing and Burgman? Those will tour cross-country.

Yeah. She wants something to scoot around town with.

See, we live in a small town, 25k folks, and besides driving to work, use the car only for grocery shopping, post office, gym, a few restaurants and movies.

There are lots of 35 mph roads that can be driven to get to where we want, but I'd like to hop it up to be a bit hooliganish. :evil

She told me that if I got her a smallish scooter, she'd probably never drive the car, weather permitting. :eek1 She's telling me to sell the 4Runner. :cry

Photog 09-07-2005 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lobby
My wife is really jonesing for a scooter. But she doesn't want a 2 stroke.

So what do you all know about 4 stroke scooters?
- Reliability?
- Brands? Vespa clones?
- can they be souped up? :evil

On the low end there are gazillions of 125/150cc "clones" out there (and now I've forgotten what they're based on...CPI bikes probably) but one distributor to look at is Vento.

try www.qualityscooters4less.com for an idea of pricing (includes shipping). Most of these bikes--they all look pretty much alike and have different graphics--are based on the same motor, with varying degrees of quality in terms of the rest of the components and QC.

Go to http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/VentoScooters/ to check out the owner group.

Be aware that a lot of the 150's are actually125's. You'll find that out after hanging out a bit on the Vento Yahoo group.

Hop-ups are generally limited to some mild head work, pipe, and variator mods on those bikes.

TnG is a good brand--the Baja 150 (as mentioned earlier) looks like a neat deal in a scoot.

The Bajaj Chetak is a tough little 150cc 4-speed scooter. Not all the Vespa parts fit but it does have a look very similar to the Vespa PX-150. They used to make a model called the Legend but I believe they're just going to bring the Chetak into the states. Used they go for about $1700-$2400.

The Stella is a LML-built Vespa PX-150 with a few upgrades--reed valve engine, gas shocks. It's essentially a brand new 20 year old bike. Requires a bit more hands-on to make the relationship work--sorta like buying a Ural or a Royal Enfield versus a new Japanese bike--but absolutely fantastic if you want a bike with endless customization and go-fast possibilities. Used they go for about $2000-$2500.

Then there's the major manufacturers--honda, yamaha, Kymco, and so on. You start getting into some money.

IMHO the best way to go in is a used scoot--you'll recoup your money a bit faster in terms of gas savings, and usually end up okay on resale.

A good buy in a used scoot would be Honda Elite 250 or older (80's era) Honda Helix (250). Usually under $2K and bulletproof. The little Yamaha 125's have a good following, too.

Quote:

I think my wife would want something that would do 45mph. Me? I want it to do 65 - 70, just in case. :evil :evil
For a 50cc bike a solid cruise of 35-40 is good; being able to hit 45 is very handy.

For the clone 125-150 automatics, expect a cruise of 50 and a top end of 65. The nicer bikes--TnG, Kymco, Honda, Yamaha, Vespa, etc - a bit more on cruise and top end.

Quote:

So far, I'm aware of the new Vespas (ET2 and ET2) but they're really pricey. I've seen this scooter clone (Bajaj sp?) that on the surface looks nice.

What say the intelligentsia?

:lurk
Find a couple you like. Test ride them. That's the fun part.

On the used 50cc bike, I recouped my purchase price in gas savings in 3 months. :D

I'm probably saving around $150/mo. on gas right now with the Stella, though gas savings isn't the only reason I have it. The damn thing is more fun to ride around town than any other bike I've ever had.

Too Many Toys 09-07-2005 01:19 PM

Mods, please move this thread to the scooter thread (oh, wait, we don't have a scooter thread).

Never mind....

ilmostro 09-07-2005 01:21 PM

Big Ruckus. Come, join the dork side :evil

MountainMan 09-07-2005 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilmostro
Big Ruckus. Come, join the dork side :evil

FYI.. Mt. Baker Motorsports in Bellingham, WA has a Big Ruckus on the floor marked down to $4499 out the door..

Saw it there on last Wed.

Marc 09-07-2005 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MountainMan
FYI.. Mt. Baker Motorsports in Bellingham, WA has a Big Ruckus on the floor marked down to $4499 out the door..

Saw it there on last Wed.

Really. :ear :scratch Hmmm....

Stinez 09-07-2005 02:06 PM

I like the Honda Elite 80
http://powersports.honda.com/assets/...l/Elite_80.jpg

MSRP$2350

I have NO idea what top speed is.


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