Originally Posted by Trophy Mike
You are both correct except the generalization really applies to most new riders on too big machines with little or no training (self-training even worse) who define motorcycling as a lifestyle first and foremost rather than a skill.
Whaddya mean self training even worse? I learned from riding dirt bikes at the school of hard knocks
and the skills I picked up from all those years translated to the street like it was nobody's business.
I doubt any formal training would elevate a rider to the kind of level that can only be acquired from riding offroad... unless of course track days are thrown into the mix.