I'm still on the fence on buying a Dragon jacket to replace my 10 year old and still functioning Kilimanjaro jacket. I still am hung up about the waterproof liner. Lest say its warm, I'm riding with the liner out it starts raining, I pull over zip in the liner and ride off happy knowing I will be dry. Well after a couple of hours, the rain stops, sun comes out, man this jacket is toasty so you pull over take out the liner and put I on a soggy jacket, which if is hot enough may keep you cool, which would be a plus or your now I'm cold from the rain soaked outer jacket. I could be wrong but I have been out on days like this. Just a thought.