I hear ya SJC -
We hear that thought a lot. Even with a sandwiched liner instead of a detachable liner, in heavy precipitation for extended periods the shell will pick up some water.
The DWR layer (waterproof coating) is the protection for the outershell and much like Rain-ex on a car window it wears off over time. For best performance we recommend liberal and regular Nik-Waxing if your gear gets heavy use. This will ensure optimal penetration blocking and water beading.
The other option for heavy rain situations is a REVIT Rainsuit
. This will keep everything dry in the heavy storms. A lot of folks with 4-season get around the soggy jacket dilemma with a handy rainsuit.
I am predicting a major change in garment liner/layer construction for the higher-end gear in the next 18 months. Mark my words ;-)
Originally Posted by sjc56
I'm still on the fence on buying a Dragon jacket to replace my 10 year old and still functioning Kilimanjaro jacket. I still am hung up about the waterproof liner. Lest say its warm, I'm riding with the liner out it starts raining, I pull over zip in the liner and ride off happy knowing I will be dry. Well after a couple of hours, the rain stops, sun comes out, man this jacket is toasty so you pull over take out the liner and put I on a soggy jacket, which if is hot enough may keep you cool, which would be a plus or your now I'm cold from the rain soaked outer jacket. I could be wrong but I have been out on days like this. Just a thought.