2006 ktm 640 adv fcr carb swap

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  1. Maineroot

    Maineroot Been here awhile

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    Hello-

    I am performing a swap for the FCR 41 on my 640.

    The install has been straightforward except for the connection to the TPS wires are different.

    4 questions:

    1. The new carb has a pull type choke- and I wanted to see if it was possible to retrofit the cable actuator to the new FCR

    2. The hot start is deleted on the FCR 41 that I have. Is this a major issue?

    3. Jetting setup is below. Any comments on this combo- I'm completely unfamiliar with this motor.

    NEEDLE:

    OBDVR- CLIP 5
    170 MAIN
    48 PILOT
    LEAK JET: 0

    Also on the jetting spec that came with the carb is this note:
    8557 ARTGR

    Not sure what that means!

    4. I'm not sure if I knocked a connection off- but there is a dead end plug hanging that has a GREEN/RED and a BROWN wire going to it. It's on the harness near where the TPS enters the harness.

    Thanks in advance.
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  2. Luke

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    You're welcome.
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  3. Maineroot

    Maineroot Been here awhile

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    @Luke-

    Thanks for the advice.

    The carb came with some extra needles, namely the

    OBEKR, which seems like what folks are having good luck with (that I have read here). I'm going with this

    OBEKR 4th Clip
    170 MAIN
    48 PILOT

    The bike has the snorkle removed, stock header and FMF can.

    Once I get it bolted up, I'll post results.
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  4. Luke

    Luke GPoET&P

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    Sounds good. The K is the same as the M except that the clip grooves are offset by one position.
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  5. LukasM

    LukasM Long timer

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    I'd say OBEKR 3rd clip, 165 main and 42 pilot. 168 main if you open up the airbox some.
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  6. Lc8grrr

    Lc8grrr Vtwin madness

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    I used the adv choke with a slight mod into the fcr but can't remember what I did. It'll be easy though.
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  7. LukasM

    LukasM Long timer

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    File the end flat?
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  8. Maineroot

    Maineroot Been here awhile

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    I was wondering how to do the choke mod. The BST choke has a barrel and a pin at the end, and the FCR has just a barrel.
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  10. Maineroot

    Maineroot Been here awhile

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    I'll give that a try with the file. I'd like to keep the choke function on the handlebar.
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  11. Maineroot

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    I got everything back together and fired it up, and took it for a ride.

    Here are the jetting symptoms.

    If you whack the throttle in Neutral- it will bog and die. If you roll it on- no problem.

    I ran it through the gears- and it seems to have a "hanging" throttle effect when letting off the gas. Feels like it is running on.

    Not sure if this is a mechanical or jetting related.

    When re-installing the throttle cables, I was not sure about how tight I had to make the adjusters on the cable at the carb end. Should there be any slack to speak of on either cable? I snugged them both up.

    Any thoughts on jetting to get this sorted out?
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  12. smokeeater495

    smokeeater495 Been here awhile

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    I installed an FCR on a '96 RXC 620. I had to reroute the throttle cable, only used the pull, behind the bars. When routed like the original cable it was too tight and would open the carb under full lock turns. As far as whacking the throttle open in neutral, how does it run when you whack it open in gear? If I recall my RXC didn't like having that done in neutral either.
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  13. Maineroot

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    I put on a set of LONGER throttle cables, so there is plenty of slack.

    I'll get the bike out tomorrow for a full shakedown ride. Maybe I just need to mess with the fuel screw.
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  14. Kawidad

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    The symptoms you describe make it sound like the jetting is too rich at the higher rpm range and possibly squirting too much fuel and/or squirting too long. Having too much unburned fuel will cause some run on feeling. :1drink
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  15. Maineroot

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    OK- that makes sense. And what would be the solution to this?

    Jetting specs are above. Let me know if any of this looks out of whack.
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    I gave you some recommendations above.
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  17. DefyInertia

    DefyInertia Where's my truck?!?

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    Never once used the choke on my 00 640 with 41 FCR....just squirt and start.
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    Cruiser Cruiser.. 16 beta 350rr, 2003 KTM 625sxc

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    Do yourself a favor and get an adjustable leak jet.. that way you can adjust the acc pump squirt with a screwdriver quick and easy without even getting off the bike. Well.. if your flexible that is.. I had this on my sxc and found the sweet spot for offroad and on to maximize MPG on road and fun off.. adjusted correctly it would stand on one wheel anytime I wanted..
    I miss that bike...
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  19. Maineroot

    Maineroot Been here awhile

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    I have never had a rich setting do anything else but cut out or stutter.

    I was wondering if this was more of a function of the A/P squirt length and timing.

    Thoughts?
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    For the accelerator pump, replace the diaphragm with a honda or yamaha part. That'll cut the amount of squirt down to reasonable levels. See here:
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2698981&postcount=6




    All your jets/settings are richer than what I use, but I've got a different head on the motor than you, which may matter.

    A hanging idle is supposed to be caused by a lean condition; either jetting, or a vacuum leak. Did you stuff the fcr into the stock carb boot or replace it with the SXC boot? It could also be a leaky choke valve. Maybe swap the correct one back in to test.
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