No it doesn't, the 690 SM is the exact same bike as the Enduro. But a street bike doesn't need a tight turning radius now does it. I didn't IMPLY anything. I stated the bike was designed as a supermoto, then adapted to a dual sport bike. The 690 SM came out the year BEFORE the 690 Enduro.
And the 690 rallye came a year before that. http://www.ktm.com/news-events/events/dakar-newsroom/the-last-dakar-rallies-in-africa.html
Anyway......I find it INTERESTING that the 990 Supermoto R which is a STREET BIKE has a very tight turning radius. It is interesting because it should have a larger radiator since it is a v-twin but still has a tight turning radius. Maybe it is because of the difference in engine placement between the twin and the upright single cylinder 690. With the twin the front cylinder has the exhaust exiting down and probably has more space for the forks to turn in. Also we should all chill here. I doubt any of us here are that stupid
Yeah I always thought the trellis frame was derived for the Dakar, starting with the 950 racer. The trellis for a single seems a curious thing, though. I would think it heavier than a conventional 450 chassis. Do you think it was designed in to support all that heavy stuff the Dakar bikes carry? Also, why does the 450 Rallye have the 950 style swing arm and the 690R only the shaped swinger? Not complaining, mind you. I love the KTM trellis. It lends the design character.
So, why don't one of you get a ruler out and compare the trellis frame clearances around the steering head so all this bench-wrenching opinions get some facts behind them???
Uhhh I could be wrong but isn't the 950/990 supermoto R adapted from the 950/990 Adventure. In other words the dual sport came first, then was adapted to a supermoto.
Going to do some overnighter camping rides with the missus on the back-worked out with all the gear and farkles on the bike 40+kg us two with gear on 160+kg bike with full fuel 157kg -owners book states 200kg rear 150kg front-does anyone carry this sort of weight on their 690 also and is mine gona snap intwo if i carry this kinda weight ? thanks barry
Albie, You do know that the 690 Supermoto / Duke frame is different from the 690 E / R / SMC / Rally (some extra brackets welded on) frame that came out later, right? IMO the bad turning radius is simply a result of KTM designing the frame for optimal stiffness, triangulation and all that. BMW compromised a bit in this regard but did a good job on the F800GS frame, the parallel twin is super wide and yet they managed to give it a 42° (or thereabouts) steering angle due to how the frame tubes are narrow near the neck before bowing out. Now that rear shock mount however, WTF were they thinking?!? :huh
though the 690RR is the same frame but with a 650 motor instead of the crazy factory motor...if i remember correctly.
The 690 Rally was first raced in Jan. 2007, and I think that the E/R/SMC were then based on that frame, at least all the main tubes and the geometry. Btw the 690RR had a 654cc engine as well. Feels a lot stronger than a standard 690, but the actual non-Replicas are supposed to be in another league still.
Albie, not to pile on but, it seems like quite a few lucky individuals have purchased a 690 Rallye. http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542250
No biggie, but you hear everyone complain on here about all the short comings of the 690 and most of those complaints never apply to the SM/SMC's. Like that not so wide tranny ratio. Not great for a dual sport, but damn it's great on a track. That hard to control throttle is a PITA in rough stuff, but works flawlessly when you're railing on corners and all you care about is instant throttle response and you're either WFO or closed. That easy to damage radiator while riding off road. Or that pesky hot running thermostat that has the fan running all the time while you're slogging along in 1st gear on technical trails, yet isn't any bit of a concern when you're running at 90 MPH in 6th. Can't understand why so many want to get their panties in a bunch.
If it helps. I spent the last 2 weekends camping off of my 690, and the only issue I had was the tailight popped out from vibration, and the sand that got into the socket with the dialectric grease. I pulled the trusty screwdriver out of my KTM tool kit, as well as a paper towel, and was on my way with no other issues. Aproximately 1300 miles total, with about 70% dirt, and offroad. Oh yeah, and I have close enough to call it 30,000 miles on this bike. I love the 690!!
Thanks guys, I appreciate the info. Didn't mean to start a war about the turning radius, I do ride tight trails and it will come into play. I'm going to tweak the steering stops so the forks almost touch the radiators and call it good.
Maybe you are referring to the SMC, a "spinoff" with 17inchers of the enduro. The SM (aka Spy vs. Spy) entered production in 2006, before the various off road 690 versions, such as the Rallye factory, the Baja and the '08->current Enduro.
It's a triple clamps matter: the sumo versions of both 690 and 950/990 have inline axle forks, and triples with slighty more offset. My old 950 adv didn't have a better turning radius than the 690, and they share the "advanced" axle forks. So, back to the 690 enduro, they designed a trellis that fits around the airbox and, as Barman wrote, they put the radiator a little bit too high: I have removed the steering stop bolts, and the fork tubes hit the frame (on the top part of the trellis) and the radiator cover. BTW, leaving only the screws without the stopping bolts and screwing them all in will make a little better turning radius and the fork legs barely touch the plastic frame cover.
My bike has never even missed a beat, and always starts on first crank until this weekend. I went to start it mid-way through a ride when the bike was hot and it just cranked over continuously but would not start until I cranked the throttle wide open and bam it fired right up. It ran perfectly until I got back and would not start again. I have been able to start it the same way since, but it is very difficult. After it starts, its seems to run fine. I can hear pump coming on normally, and I changed the spark plug and cleaned the air filter. I have found no loose connections, only what looks to be a missing ground on the left side of the frame right below the air box bushing mount, but I can not find a wire that would go there. Is this an extra grounding point or was something going there that I cant find? Thank you for any help.