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Old 08-31-2007, 10:03 AM   #1
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Question Ohlins versus Stock Suspension (R1200GS)

How much better is the Ohlins than the stock suspension? I understand differences in adjustability and rebuildability, but I'm looking for a more qualitative difference.
Will I notice that the Ohlins is that much better and smile to myself at the $1500 well spent on every ride?
I bought my R1200GS used this summer (its an 05) with 3k miles on it. It has 6k now. I was planning on waiting until I notice the stockers getting a little worn before replacing them, but if it'll be night and day, I'll do it now (before I head out for a 2 week trip on 9/17). I put Ohlins on my 02 RT at 18k miles and I noticed a big difference. Some of this was because the RT shocks were tired, but it felt more stable than ever and two-up (or loaded) adjustability and performance was outstanding.
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Old 08-31-2007, 11:15 AM   #2
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Thumb Ohlins Baby, Ohlins

Basically you answered your own question with your comment on your R/T.
Yes, it is the same night and day as long as they are set up well. Look into the new PDS generation rear for your 12GS, it has rebound AND compression adjustability. If you plan on keeping the bike, yes, worth the bucks.

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Old 08-31-2007, 11:23 AM   #3
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I put Ohlins on my 1200; never looked back.

Best $1500 I ever spent. +1 on getting it setup right. Good linky in the Wisdom section:

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Old 08-31-2007, 12:01 PM   #4
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Twice on one ride I bottomed out my OEM shock (cranked to the max) riding two-up with my wife. Second time I wasn't even pushing hard - hit a bad bump in the road and it darn near pitched us into a ditch.

Ohlins f/r went on at 8,500 miles. This is now the third bike I've put Ohlins on in a row. Sadly, I think that when I buy a bike from now on I'm just going to factor Ohlins into the purchase price right at the start.
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Old 08-31-2007, 12:04 PM   #5
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If your GS is an 05 it has WP shocks on it. While these are better than what is used now, they are not Ohlins and you will still see your moneys worth in difference.

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Old 08-31-2007, 01:56 PM   #6
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On my R1100RT I went with Ohlins. Tremendous difference in ride quality. They got rebuilt a few times, but it still saved money compared with buying always a set of stock shocks.
On my R1150R I replaced the originals with R1150R Rockster shocks that are a step up and I got them for almost no money. If I still had the bike, It would have Ohlins or Wilbers or something.
On my new to me '05 R1200GS I still have the stock White Powers, which are better than any stock suspension on my previous beemers, but eventually they will go too.
Qustion: On my R1100RT the rear Ohlins was adjustable in length without any special ordering. Simply loosen up a lock nut and turn the bottom mounting to adjust lenght. Is that still so on the R1200GS Ohlins?
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Old 08-31-2007, 02:55 PM   #7
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Simply loosen up a lock nut and turn the bottom mounting to adjust lenght. Is that still so on the R1200GS Ohlins?
Depends on the shock. There are two Ohlins rear shocks: one has the ride-height adjustment nut and the other doesn't. Depends on which shock you ordered.
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:38 PM   #8
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Perhaps not. It depends more upon if you tend to push the bike during situations where handling is getting closer to the edge of the capabilities of the bike or not.


Some people who have never experienced a really tweaked suspension are shocked with how well the bike can handle. Others don't notice much if any change.

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Old 10-09-2012, 05:26 PM   #9
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Perhaps not. It depends more upon if you tend to push the bike during situations where handling is getting closer to the edge of the capabilities of the bike or not.




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Yes, absolutely! Recently bought a ESA equipped '11 GSA to replace my '06 GSA w/Ohlins. I took one of my usual routes that includes a section where the bike comes over a rise followed by a hard left hand bend. As I flicked the stock suspended GSA into the turn, A move my '06 handles with ease , I had that sinking feeling that I was headed off the road as the rail like precision of my '06 was gone, replaced by needing most of the available asphalt to complete the turn. Very scary!
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:43 PM   #10
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I have been thinking my OEM ESA shocks on my GSA08 are dead as they don't seem to have any dampening left in them :(

I was thinking of either rebuilding the OEM ones with a local shock dealer for a few hundred, or buying the Ohlins ESA shocks but at $3,000AUD it's a hard choice and really would like to know if its going to make my bike ride smooth
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:30 AM   #11
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I have been thinking my OEM ESA shocks on my GSA08 are dead as they don't seem to have any dampening left in them :(

I was thinking of either rebuilding the OEM ones with a local shock dealer for a few hundred, or buying the Ohlins ESA shocks but at $3,000AUD it's a hard choice and really would like to know if its going to make my bike ride smooth
I don't have any experience with ESA shocks. But the Ohlins I do have are WAY better than stock shocks, in EVER way.

If handling is important to you, if enjoying the ride is something you can and do appreciate, then the single greatest improvement is tweako shocks. Stock shocks that are rebuilt only get you back to that level of handling performance.

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Old 10-14-2012, 12:06 AM   #12
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I've never had aftermarket shocks but I do see people saying they're having them rebuilt every 30-50,000 miles. That being said I've put 112,000 on stock 2001 1150gs shocks and 45,000 miles on my 09 1200gs with never a problem or feeling the need to have more better suspension. It's been my experience the stock BMW shocks are reliable or have been for me. I never venture offroad though. I do a lot of gravel roads but no trails. My brother;s Multistrada has ohlins and I can't tell much difference. Sure the bike handles much better in the twisties but while riding it, it reminds me how much I love my telelever. It doesn't leave me wishing for a new suspension on my GS. I'm 6'0 210#s. I'm not saying don't buy new suspension because I don't have any experience with the results. It may make the bike feel different.
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:40 AM   #13
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I've never had aftermarket shocks but I do see people saying they're having them rebuilt every 30-50,000 miles. That being said I've put 112,000 on stock 2001 1150gs shocks and 45,000 miles on my 09 1200gs with never a problem or feeling the need to have more better suspension. It's been my experience the stock BMW shocks are reliable or have been for me. I never venture offroad though. I do a lot of gravel roads but no trails. My brother;s Multistrada has ohlins and I can't tell much difference. Sure the bike handles much better in the twisties but while riding it, it reminds me how much I love my telelever. It doesn't leave me wishing for a new suspension on my GS. I'm 6'0 210#s. I'm not saying don't buy new suspension because I don't have any experience with the results. It may make the bike feel different.
Probably the best way I can let you know what the difference between stock shocks and properly dialed in tweako shocks is this.

I don't steer the bike around corners, I think where I want to be and that's what happens. If a rock or tar snake needs to be avoided, again I don't steer around it I see myself changing my line in the corner and that's what happens.

The amount of the 'pucker factor' has also been reduced by a huge amount, and the worry about picking a line that won't cause the bike to 'react poorly', again is also greatly reduced.

These are just some of the aspects to a properly dialed in suspension.

At least for me this is why they are so important and I'll always opt for this level of performance.

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Old 10-14-2012, 09:49 AM   #14
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It's interesting to me that nobody here has mentioned the other brands offered for this application: Wilburs and Yacugar. I recently had this discussion with several folks including Dan Kyle (Dan Kyle Racing) and Ted Porter (Beemershop). My instinctive reaction was to reach for the Ohlins as I've had great luck with them at the track and on my street bikes. In then end Ted talked me into the Yacugar which I just got and need to put on (will report on this in another thread). Cost is the same. Here's a basic boil down of the various discussions that led me to this decision:
-The Ohlins needs more frequent rebuilding (one a year versus once every two years per mfg).
-Ohlins is a compromise if you do varied riding. It's much more of an off the shelf item that the Wilburs or Yacugar which are built for your uses. For me that is 40% one up, 40% two up, 10% two up with luggage, 10% ride like an idiot. I spoke specifically to Dan Kyle about this and he agreed that the Ohlins would be stiff for me one up and soft two up.
-Insert large discussion with Ted Porter about shaft diameter, seal size, and aluminum versus steel construction. Cliff notes version is that Ohlins has some weak points here and they gain performance in these areas by sacrificing longevity.
-Downside of the Yacugar is they have just preload and rebound but no compression. I'd have thought for the same $1500 I'd get compression adjustment?

I'll get them mounted this week and do some testing under varied conditions. It'll be easy to beat the stockers I'm sure especially since they have 91k on them. Anyways I'd be interested to hear what anybody else has to say about these products.

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It's interesting to me that nobody here has mentioned the other brands offered for this application: Wilburs and Yacugar. I recently had this discussion with several folks including Dan Kyle (Dan Kyle Racing) and Ted Porter (Beemershop). My instinctive reaction was to reach for the Ohlins as I've had great luck with them at the track and on my street bikes. In then end Ted talked me into the Yacugar which I just got and need to put on (will report on this in another thread). Cost is the same. Here's a basic boil down of the various discussions that led me to this decision:
-The Ohlins needs more frequent rebuilding (one a year versus once every two years per mfg).
-Ohlins is a compromise if you do varied riding. It's much more of an off the shelf item that the Wilburs or Yacugar which are built for your uses. For me that is 40% one up, 40% two up, 10% two up with luggage, 10% ride like an idiot. I spoke specifically to Dan Kyle about this and he agreed that the Ohlins would be stiff for me one up and soft two up.
-Insert large discussion with Ted Porter about shaft diameter, seal size, and aluminum versus steel construction. Cliff notes version is that Ohlins has some weak points here and they gain performance in these areas by sacrificing longevity.
-Downside of the Yacugar is they have just preload and rebound but no compression. I'd have thought for the same $1500 I'd get compression adjustment?

I'll get them mounted this week and do some testing under varied conditions. It'll be easy to beat the stockers I'm sure especially since they have 91k on them. Anyways I'd be interested to hear what anybody else has to say about these products.

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