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Old 07-16-2008, 10:00 AM   #1
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Honda Reflex vs Helix

What's the gist of the diff between these two machines?

Is one believed "better" than the other?
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:09 AM   #2
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The Reflex has better (more) internal storage and a little bit higher seating position.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:54 PM   #3
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The Reflex is a newer design, the Helix is really old, mid-eighties vintage.
The Helix is kind of funky looking, the Reflex is very sporty looking.
Running gear is similar but not exactly the same. Both are super reliable and durable. Somebody posted a Reflex odometer picture here with 80k miles! I own an '04 Reflex and can testify to its reliability. Just a great vehicle, gets 63 mpg commuting to work everyday 50 miles roundtrip.
I once saw a Helix on the interstate so they're also very roadworthy. Heard they are almost unkillable. Some guy ran a Reflex in the iron butt a few years ago and finished ahead of many larger bikes.
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:17 PM   #4
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The Helix is quicker than a Reflex because the Reflex has a stepped variator that keeps its revs down until around 35-40 mph.

There is a mod that involves removing the low speed rollers from the variator that I think brings the Reflex back in line with the Helix acceleration. I have not done this mod, so I cant say for sure.

I also believe the Reflex has a higher top speed, don't know if its gearing, engine, aerodynamics or a combo of them all.
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Old 07-19-2008, 07:09 AM   #5
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The Helix had a more relaxed riding position - like a Barcalounger on wheels. I thought that the Helix had more storage than the Reflex, but I've never really compared mine to a Reflex.
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Old 07-19-2008, 07:40 AM   #6
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This is what popped into my mind when you mentioned "Honda Reflex". It was a good mid 80's dualsport.

Sorry for the thread hijack...

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Old 07-22-2008, 08:50 PM   #7
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This is what popped into my mind when you mentioned "Honda Reflex". It was a good mid 80's dualsport.

Sorry for the thread hijack...

I've been looking for one of these!!!
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:30 PM   #8
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I sat on both yesterday at my buddy's scooter store.

My long legs don't fit on the Reflex as well as the Helix.
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:56 AM   #9
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I sat on both yesterday at my buddy's scooter store.

My long legs don't fit on the Reflex as well as the Helix.
I'm trying to figure this all out...

I rode a CFMOTO Helix clone. I despise the "bathtub" seating position (rear end flat on the floor, feet straight out.) Feels really off balance. To each his own, but I really, really don't like it.

Is the Reflex much more of an upright seating position? Can your lower legs be straight down like they're supposed to be?
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Old 07-26-2008, 10:03 AM   #10
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This is what popped into my mind when you mentioned "Honda Reflex". It was a good mid 80's dualsport.
That thing looks like a lot of fun, how do do the google on that without finding a bunch of scooters? (no offence) I want one too! :)
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I sold my Helix to a friend, then bought a 2003 Reflex. Now we trade off during rides. Both are great bikes, even the dated looking Helix is a quick steering, fun mmachine. The problem for me with the Helix is that the more reclined seating position puts compressive forces on my spine, especially with the worn out shocks. With updated shocks and a drivers backrest I could ride for hours. Reflex feels more like a small motorcycle with better (but not great) suspension. Helix has more torque at midrange, while the Reflex has a slightly better top end. My Reflex does have the mod where you remove 3 of the six rollers-really needed to wake up the power band.
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Old 09-12-2010, 03:47 PM   #12
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I sold my Helix to a friend, then bought a 2003 Reflex. Now we trade off during rides. Both are great bikes, even the dated looking Helix is a quick steering, fun mmachine. The problem for me with the Helix is that the more reclined seating position puts compressive forces on my spine, especially with the worn out shocks. With updated shocks and a drivers backrest I could ride for hours. Reflex feels more like a small motorcycle with better (but not great) suspension. Helix has more torque at midrange, while the Reflex has a slightly better top end. My Reflex does have the mod where you remove 3 of the six rollers-really needed to wake up the power band.
Is this the "K-Mod" ? I'd really like to know more about it. My Reflex is a bit sluggish and no where near as smooth as my Piaggio bv200. Does this mod rectify this? Any and all info on this mod is appreciated. I belong to the Yahoo Reflex site but can't stand the new design Yahoo is doing of their boards.

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