Sidecar Design Formula - IMPORTANT!

Get Back · 05-25-2009, 08:04 PM

.....By request, here's the wheel lead formula.

Thanks to Brock & Pete Smith.

Nemo DeNovo · 05-26-2009, 05:15 AM

Great article, thanks for posting

DirtyDR · 05-26-2009, 11:06 AM

Hope you don't mind if I add one in here.

RedMenace · 05-26-2009, 11:29 AM

Setting Up the Sidecar - Alignment from Adventure Sidecar on Vimeo.

phyllis · 05-27-2009, 12:32 AM

I knew you'd trot that "masterpiece" out!! He pulled the figures of 10 to 20 percent out of his ARSE!! Read it with some detached interest and you will see it's frogshit!!! Lineal offset

Differential rise

. Get real boys!

claude · 05-27-2009, 06:15 AM

The part about the amount of scrub at the sidecar tire with various amounts of wheel lead is well explained. Some good points made in all diagrams which are hard to express in just words.

RedMenace · 05-27-2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by brockoli
".... If anybody wants it 'DUMBED DOWN' I can do that for them...Thanks "

I'd like it "dumbed downed" please and thank you.

Can you simplify it to where I can plug in track width and wheel base, for instance, and arrive at an ideal or ideal range for sidecar wheel lead? I appreciate the article and might understand it when I get a chance to sit down and mull it over, but it doesn't come naturally to me and I am busy trying to rebuild a couple of hacks for the BlackDog.

Richard-NL · 05-29-2009, 04:42 AM

Advised here to put this in this “sticky”.

77 pages in .pdf:

BASIC SIDECAR INFO

69 pages in .pdf:

MORE BASIC SIDECAR INFO

First link is hosted by the USCA

Second link is hosted by Halflive

Allthough this information can be had in different spots, I chose these links, because they seemed to me the most lasting.

Richard-NL

koifarm · 05-27-2009, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phyllis

I knew you'd trot that "masterpiece" out!! He pulled the figures of 10 to 20 percent out of his ARSE!! Read it with some detached interest and you will see it's frogshit!!! Lineal offset

Differential rise

. HAR FUCKEN HA!!!! Get real boys!

Okay Phyllis, why don't YOU get real and post something intelligent other than slandering someone who had good information out there!
Let's hear YOUR version of set up dude, it probably entails baling wire and duct tape pulled out of your arse.....

tripodtiger · 05-27-2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koifarm

Okay Phyllis, why don't YOU get real and post something intelligent other than slandering someone who had good information out there!
Let's hear YOUR version of set up dude, it probably entails baling wire and duct tape pulled out of your arse.....

You'd be wrong.

RedMenace · 05-27-2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockoli

.... If anybody wants it 'DUMBED DOWN' I can do that for them...Thanks

I'd like it "dumbed downed" please and thank you.

Can you simplify it to where I can plug in track width and wheel base, for instance, and arrive at an ideal or ideal range for sidecar wheel lead? I appreciate the article and might understand it when I get a chance to sit down and mull it over, but it doesn't come naturally to me and I am busy trying to rebuild a couple of hacks for the BlackDog.

And Phyliss,
I'd be genuinely interested in how you determine where to set the sidecar wheel lead on your builds, as well. Lot's of ways to skin a cat-how do you do it?

johno · 05-27-2009, 08:03 PM

This is going to be interesting

koifarm · 05-27-2009, 08:26 PM

A good friend of mine often said:
"You can catch a lot more flies with sugar than you can with vinegar!"

nuff said!!

brockoli · 05-27-2009, 09:40 PM

Not sure how or why this thread got started. I did offer to simplify it if you need, not to negate any ones abilities, just to help. It is just intended to help, to use as a starting point or just to inform or help to understand how things work better than if you where to just guess. If you don't like it, oh well. It does work and after hundreds of installs based on this, I can say that with confidence. I would appreciate this thread removed as it serves no purposeful use to any ones benefit. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but when it is a verbal attack aimed to discredit someone, that's uncalled for. Thanks.

TouringDave · 05-27-2009, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johno

This is going to be interesting

Ian, I know of Mr. Duffy and yes, this should be interesting. Awaiting a response. Or not.

05-25-2009, 08:04 PM	#1
Get Back ^OP Molesworth 2 Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Kamloops, B.C. Oddometer: 269	Sidecar Design Formula - IMPORTANT! .....By request, here's the wheel lead formula. Thanks to Brock & Pete Smith. __________________ Shaun If Thy Ever Does Owt For Nowt, Do It For Thysen' Get Back screwed with this post 02-14-2012 at 01:14 PM Reason: Update my information

05-26-2009, 11:06 AM	#3
DirtyDR Dana Joined: Feb 2003 Location: Edwards,Colorado Oddometer: 1,794	Hope you don't mind if I add one in here. __________________ 06 Ural Patrol 03 R1150 GS Sport/ Friendship II 94 R1100RS 99 Rokon Ranger 71 Rokon RT140 Hack'n the TLH http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=592860 http://dirtydr.smugmug.com/ Proud Member of the Patrol Patrol

05-26-2009, 11:29 AM	#4
RedMenace Adventure Sidecar Joined: Dec 2001 Location: GoodLiver,Oregon,USA Oddometer: 4,852	Sidecar Alignment video Setting Up the Sidecar - Alignment from Adventure Sidecar on Vimeo. __________________ the Red Menace "You are measured by how you ride by people who ride, and how you pose by people who pose." Alejo "Riders who get pissed off are doing it wrong." DAKEZ

05-27-2009, 12:32 AM	#5
phyllis just another dummy Joined: Apr 2009 Location: creswick, victoria, australia. Oddometer: 75	I knew you'd trot that "masterpiece" out!! He pulled the figures of 10 to 20 percent out of his ARSE!! Read it with some detached interest and you will see it's frogshit!!! Lineal offset Differential rise . Get real boys! phyllis screwed with this post 06-03-2009 at 02:21 AM

05-27-2009, 06:15 AM	#6
claude Sidecar Jockey Joined: Mar 2002 Location: Middleburg, Pa. (Snyder County) Oddometer: 2,732	The part about the amount of scrub at the sidecar tire with various amounts of wheel lead is well explained. Some good points made in all diagrams which are hard to express in just words. __________________ Claude Founder: Internet Sidecar Owners Klub at SCT http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCT/ President: C Stanley Motorsports Inc. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...rsandTrailers/ http://freedomsidecars.com/

05-26-2009, 05:15 AM	#2
Nemo DeNovo Banned Joined: Jul 2008 Location: Out Here On The Perimeter (There Are No Stars) Oddometer: 1,782	Great article, thanks for posting

05-27-2009, 06:42 PM	#7
RedMenace Adventure Sidecar Joined: Dec 2001 Location: GoodLiver,Oregon,USA Oddometer: 4,852	Quote: Originally Posted by brockoli ".... If anybody wants it 'DUMBED DOWN' I can do that for them...Thanks " I'd like it "dumbed downed" please and thank you. Can you simplify it to where I can plug in track width and wheel base, for instance, and arrive at an ideal or ideal range for sidecar wheel lead? I appreciate the article and might understand it when I get a chance to sit down and mull it over, but it doesn't come naturally to me and I am busy trying to rebuild a couple of hacks for the BlackDog. __________________ the Red Menace "You are measured by how you ride by people who ride, and how you pose by people who pose." Alejo "Riders who get pissed off are doing it wrong." DAKEZ

05-29-2009, 04:42 AM	#8
Richard-NL Sidecar Fan Joined: Aug 2008 Location: The Netherlands Oddometer: 1,000	Advised here to put this in this “sticky”. 77 pages in .pdf: BASIC SIDECAR INFO 69 pages in .pdf: MORE BASIC SIDECAR INFO First link is hosted by the USCA Second link is hosted by Halflive Allthough this information can be had in different spots, I chose these links, because they seemed to me the most lasting. Richard-NL __________________ Wars too many, in was I.

05-27-2009, 08:03 PM	#12
johno Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Mount Gambier, South Australia, Australia. Oddometer: 2,893	This is going to be interesting __________________ Down in the land of the confused(mainly me)

05-27-2009, 08:26 PM	#13
koifarm Twas ever thus! Joined: Apr 2009 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Oddometer: 1,695	Flying! A good friend of mine often said: "You can catch a lot more flies with sugar than you can with vinegar!" nuff said!!

05-27-2009, 09:40 PM	#14
brockoli Gnarly Adventurer Joined: May 2009 Location: Kamloops Oddometer: 179	Not sure how or why this thread got started. I did offer to simplify it if you need, not to negate any ones abilities, just to help. It is just intended to help, to use as a starting point or just to inform or help to understand how things work better than if you where to just guess. If you don't like it, oh well. It does work and after hundreds of installs based on this, I can say that with confidence. I would appreciate this thread removed as it serves no purposeful use to any ones benefit. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but when it is a verbal attack aimed to discredit someone, that's uncalled for. Thanks.

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