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Old 06-03-2011, 08:56 PM   #1
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Question The pillion bike?

First, hello, I'm new to this forum.

Second, I'm not an "adventure rider", I'm actually a sprint rider (short trips). I grew up on dirt bikes (amateur MX) and graduated to road racing bikes (amateur roadracer). However, as I've aged, my wife and I would like to do some weekend rides, and the Daytona isn't what my wife thinks of as comfy. She did ride the Interceptor, and enjoyed it, but she's kinda tall (5'8"+), with long legs, and the leg room (or lack there of) made her legs hurt after more than an hour or so in the saddle.

So, in the search for a bike that she will enjoy sitting on first and foremost, and that I'll enjoy riding, I found this forum.

Now, to the point: I have been looking at various second bikes, for our longer trips, and have several we've been considering:

1. Triumph Thunderbird Storm (with comfy seat).
2. Triumph Sprint GT (with comfy seat) [since the ST is no longer sold in the US].
3. Ducati Diavel Carbon Red (with comfy seat).
4. Triumph Tiger 1050 (with comfy seat).
5. Ducati Multistrada S Touring (with comfy seat).
6. Forthcoming rumored Aprilia Tuareg 1200.
7. Forthcoming Motus MST.
8. etc.

It is much of this research that kept bringing me to this site, so thought I'd finally join instead of lurking, and get opinions directly from the members.

I need a bike that handles, and would like to keep it +/- 500 lbs. I would also like 100+BHP at the rear wheel. I'd like something different than an ST, basically because it would not be as good as my Daytona, but I would want to ride it that way, so I'd prefer something different.

I want all that, and a comfy seat for her, plus lots of leg room for her too... Not asking too much am I?

At this point the Multistrada is in the lead, but frankly it's ugly (if they'd just get rid of that duckbill snorkel on the front), and really tall, I'm only 5'9"+ with a 30" inseam...

Anywho, there you go, have at it!
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:00 PM   #2
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I forgot to mention; I'm not a fan of Japanese (anymore) or German bikes (as you may have guessed from my list), as I don't feel they have any soul... More like sewing machines...
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Old 06-11-2011, 04:37 PM   #3
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Not to dogpile on you, but have you ever ridden any of the modern BMW R-bikes at all? What about Moto Guzzis? Harleys? The big H-D tourers can be great pillion bikes.

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I forgot to mention; I'm not a fan of Japanese (anymore) or German bikes (as you may have guessed from my list), as I don't feel they have any soul... More like sewing machines...
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:02 PM   #4
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I forgot to mention; I'm not a fan of Japanese (anymore) or German bikes (as you may have guessed from my list), as I don't feel they have any soul... More like sewing machines...

Too bad you feel that way... takes a lot of great bikes out of the equation. As a passenger hauler, Goldwings can't be beat (my biased opinion) - ever drive one? Don't knock what you've never tried - GL1500s & 1800s really scoot, and for such heavy, long wheelbase bikes, they don't actually handle bad either (and I'm a former sport bike rider). Let your wife sit on the back of one and she'll be sold - my wife was!
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Old 06-11-2011, 11:39 PM   #5
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Well, this last little bit has been very entertaining, at least.

If you read my sig, I had a Honda VFR, the quintessential sport-tourer. I have actually only owned Honda's and Suzuki's (before my awesome Trumpet). So no, not a Marine Corps thing, or anything even like that. If they made something that got my attention, I'd still be interested (say a S1000RR based sport-tourer?). What I'm talking about with the soul comment, is something that stirs my emotions. Most of the Japanese and BMW's have become the Toyota's of motorcycling in my opinion; designed to appeal to the masses. Which makes great economic sense, but doesn't do anything to get my blood pumping. Yes, I have looked at the K1300S, and it just doesn't do anything for me, like a high performance Camry or 325i. I'm looking for an Aston Martin Rapide. And yes, this is a very personal thing.

I have looked at the KTM's, and they are interesting, and I might consider one.

I have also heard much to-do about my Trumpet's apparent lack of reliability; however, if you know anything about the R/R and other issues VFR's have had for years (as an example) and compare that to the Hinkley Triumphs, and many of the newer Ducati's and Aprilia's, you'll find that that sentiment is a bit old-school, and no longer reality based.

We have also lost our way while getting all offended at my Japanese and German comments, by talking about baggers (full-on touring bikes). As I mentioned at the start, I am a sportbike rider (note the Daytona as my current steed). I will not be giving up my sportbike either, this new one will be a second mount. Touring bikes are great for some, but not for me; as I mentioned at the beginning, I'm looking for ~500 pounds and 100+ BHP at the rear wheel. I'm not ready yet for a two wheel car, maybe in another 20 years.

As I also mentioned, I don't have any experience on an Adventure Bike, or a power-cruiser; all I've ridden are MX and sportbikes; which is why I posted here to begin with. I wasn't planning on defending my list, more interested in people's opinions, or preferably experience with bikes on the list, so I could make a more informed decision.

But keep the advice coming, it's entertaining, sometimes informative, and I've enjoyed it all.
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Old 06-12-2011, 11:11 AM   #6
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I'm looking for ~500 pounds and 100+ BHP at the rear wheel.
So, then, why does your list contain a bike that is 746lbs wet? You're not making a lot of sense here.

You already got comments about the others - the only one that is really good for a pillion and has power and is close to sport bike performance is the Multistrada and you could have that figured by going to some shops and try it.

What you are getting here is completely useless (as are most of my and your posts) in that regard. You will not find anything by couch riding ... take your pillion, go out, and ride the damn things (or at least sit on them) and build your own opinion. You wouldn't have most on the list if you were doing your own checking ... Whether you find the Multi or the Tiger or the Sprint comfortable with a pillion is up to you and your pillion. Not up to someone else and his passenger.
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Old 06-12-2011, 03:52 PM   #7
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The Thunderbird is only on the list, because I keep reading and hearing by folks who own or have ridden them, that they handle really well. I'd like to try a cruiser, for something different (plus the pillion likes the looks of them), so I threw it in the mix. Still, the footpeg placement is an issue, as even sitting on them I am uncomfortable with my feet out in front like that. Hence how I found the Diavel.

We have sat on some of them, and do need to try some more. I'm not planning to buy it until next spring/summer, so I have some time.

The hard part for me, and why I'm posting here and in my normal forums (VFRWorld and Triumph675.net) for opinions, is I've never had (or even ridden) a cruiser or adventure bike, so I'm looking for folks with experience to give me some insight. I have also asked around at Bike Night's or other gatherings as well.

It is also difficult to shop based on pillion comfort. I could narrow it down pretty quick on my own likes/dislikes; unfortunately, many of the bikes I like, are obviously not comfy for a pillion. I'm trying to compromise, but I still need to enjoy it and feel safe on it, otherwise we'll still never go riding together, cause I won't like ridding it, and that defeats the whole purpose.

This is why I appreciate the feedback; so thanks again.
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:46 PM   #8
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If they made something that got my attention, I'd still be interested (say a S1000RR based sport-tourer?).
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Rather than trying to imagine impossible compromises, have you thought of actually having more than one more specialised bike? One for track days maybe. One for actual/real touring. One for posing on a breakfast run etc.

Can't say, I personally, can see much of your Aston Martin Rapide in your little 675 Daytona, a Sprint GT or the Tiger Explorer but love is blind I guess
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:25 AM   #9
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I'd still say a k1200r or even the 1600 if you could swing it would be awesome.

If you think a VFR has no soul, I'd be willing to bet that most of the bikes you're looking at don't either. that V4 is a sweet sound that is very rare...

You want sport touring, but with that comes the wonderful world of really tall, top heavy bikes.

Jap's have this down, especially for shorter riders, but all them are out of the question. I mean, I get it, but my zx-10 is not exactly short on character.

I have two bikes now, one for comfort and one for speed. I have the v65 for long trips and the zx-10 for shorter ones. Ironically, the GF likes the ZX-10 a whole hell of a lot better.


neither one is a slouch and both have more than 100hp.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:25 PM   #10
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Giving my wife's opinion (we do test a lot of bikes, at least sitting on them, often test riding):

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1. Triumph Thunderbird Storm (with comfy seat).
She doesn't like it.

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2. Triumph Sprint GT (with comfy seat) [since the ST is no longer sold in the US].
I don't like it. Too much lean, too heavy steering with pillion.

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3. Ducati Diavel Carbon Red (with comfy seat).
That's a joke, right? I wouldn't be allowed in the bedroom anymore if I had to compensate with that thing ...

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4. Triumph Tiger 1050 (with comfy seat).
Pillion seat going too high. Not uncomfortable though.

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5. Ducati Multistrada S Touring (with comfy seat).
Best of this list.

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6. Forthcoming rumored Aprilia Tuareg 1200.
7. Forthcoming Motus MST.
8. etc.
Of course no idea.

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I'm only 5'9"+ with a 30" inseam...
The Multi is the best of your list, but it's high as you mention. I'm okay on it with my 34" inseam, my wife liked it.

But in the end: she likes my GS most. Likes it even more than an RT and much more than a GSA and more than a Goldwing. Doesn't help you though ...
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Old 06-04-2011, 12:06 AM   #11
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Tried them all, out of all the Euro, American, Japanese machines, the wife insist that Burgman 650 is the best, large seating area, backrest, car rear tire for large contact patch and ride comfort, large capacity of undersea storage, 1/2 the weight of a Goldwing, just as capable.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:00 AM   #12
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Took the wife for q ride on the Tiger 955i. She ordered me to buy it.
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My wife likes the pillion of the 1200 Multistrada much more than the 1200 GS.
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My wife likes the pillion of the 1200 Multistrada much more than the 1200 GS.
Other way around here. We did a direct comparison one day. But - it all comes down in what you (or your wife) personally likes.
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:30 AM   #15
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Tried them all, out of all the Euro, American, Japanese machines, the wife insist that Burgman 650 is the best, large seating area, backrest, car rear tire for large contact patch and ride comfort, large capacity of undersea storage, 1/2 the weight of a Goldwing, just as capable.
Hahahaha, thanks, but you must've missed the part where I said: "I need a bike that handles, and would like to keep it +/- 500 lbs. I would also like 100+BHP at the rear wheel."
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