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Old 06-08-2011, 08:36 AM   #1
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New DeLorme inReach - Looks like a sweet competitor for SPOT Connect

I've been thinking about a SPOT connect, but recently saw this announcment from DeLorme:

http://blog.delorme.com/2011/06/03/d...communication/

It essentially combines a regular SPOT and the connect, and allows two-way communication. Hope they make a version for iOS as this looks like it'd be ideal for MC travel and backwoods adventure, esp. since the emergency responders can actually communicate with you.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:51 AM   #2
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if there is an iOS app for Delorme's InReach. I would expect that the InReach requires Bluetooth Serial Port Profile to communicate bi-directionaly. iOS doesn't support SPP.

If they do manage to make an iOS app that would be very interesting.

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Old 06-09-2011, 02:51 AM   #3
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The inReach can be used by itself, with the DeLorme Earthmate PN-60w GPS, or with smartphones running the Android OS!
Don't hold your breath on the iOS.

And maybe this is DeLorme's way of finally getting something to market. Since they are using Iridium's system, maybe this will work.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:43 AM   #4
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OK, no breath holding here. Apple is unlikely to every support SPP just like they most likely will not support external USB Storage.

I understand why, but the InReach "satellite two-way pager" is getting kind of large and at the projected prices (unit+plan) a Sat phone doesn't look that expensive.

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Old 06-18-2011, 06:34 PM   #5
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This is a neat idea. I wonder if we can cut Delorme out of the middle and build an iridium radio cheap and rely on the phone for all of the other computing needs? You'd need to have a contract with the iridium people of course, but I suspect the crystal set is pretty cheap without their value added malarkey. I assume this radio network is slow like Spot and just a low power radio at the correct frequency. More research is needed...
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Old 06-18-2011, 09:25 PM   #6
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I wonder if we can cut Delorme out of the middle and build an iridium radio cheap and rely on the phone for all of the other computing needs?
Iridium offers a satellite data transceiver module for integrating into custom devices. It's several hundred dollars as I recall. It's a serious challenger to the similar Globalstar (SPOT) module. I'm comparing them to decide which to include in a device I'm developing. Eventually I'd like to add an android app, not unlike what you've created, to add some additional features.

Here's the Iridum module:


And the similar Globalstar (SPOT) module:
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:46 AM   #7
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Here is some more info:

http://www.gpsworld.com/consumer-oem...tor-fall-11814

SRP @ $250, and ~$10/mo. seems pretty reasonable to me if it works well enough..
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:44 PM   #8
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I disagree with the subscription fee comments.

While I'd like to have a Spot, the subscription fee turns me away. I take 3 or 4 long motorcycle trips per year. Say 10 days each. Paying for 12 months of subscription when I only need it for 4 grates on me.

So I don't buy these things and wait for something reasonable to come along.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:42 AM   #9
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The radio chip costs about $200 and the service also has a fee that the satellite operator charges. Honestly, DeLorme is selling thing at cost. I assume they have built a little profit into it by securing better prices than I could get by buy large volumes, but ultimately putting satellites into space is very expensive and these radios are not built in the volumes necessary to bring the chip prices way down.

DeLorme doesn't have their own satellites, so they have to charge the monthly fee or raise the price high enough to cover the fees in some sort of annuity style calculation. Pushing the direct fees for using the satellites makes a lot of sense to me. I think this a great product. Now that I see the price I'd not even consider developing my own version, they are selling it at near cost for crying out loud.

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I disagree with the subscription fee comments.

While I'd like to have a Spot, the subscription fee turns me away. I take 3 or 4 long motorcycle trips per year. Say 10 days each. Paying for 12 months of subscription when I only need it for 4 grates on me.

So I don't buy these things and wait for something reasonable to come along.
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:43 AM   #10
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I really like the idea of this product. I have a Gen II spot and it has worked for me thus far but it does have its limitations.

I really don't like the every 10min update. Plus the 2way custom aspect of it is good to.

I am a Delorme user already and have really enjoyed their products over the years. I started out with a Serial GPS many years ago. Now i have a USB that I use on my Dell DUO in my truck and a PN40 that I use on my bike.

The fact that they are going to let you download the maps to your phone is a great feature. With the Purchase of the inReach and the monthly subscription you get the option to download the Delorme maps to your phone. That is great. Whenever my PN40 dies I will get a PN60/w and an inReach.... bye bye Spot.... I am sure that the price will come down quickly once it hits the market....

I look forward to the release... now I just gotta save my spare change so I can get one when it comes out......

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Old 08-26-2011, 06:05 PM   #11
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DeLorme InReach vs Spot Connect vs Spot II

I looked at the Spot Connect but discounted it because as a stand-alone device, it only has SOS and none of the other buttons of the Spot II (i.e. I'm okay, custom message, tracking). However, the DoLorme InReach seems to address those shortcomings, as a standalone unit, it has tracking, SOS, and what looks like the ability to dispatch pre-composed messages, pretty much what Spot II does. Then the advantage of the InReach kicks in, that is, if your cell phone is still alive, you can communicate by two-way texting.

A retailer's website shows the monthly subscription for InReach starting at $9.99 or roughly $120 per year. There are no details how many free messages you get or the per message cost or what other fees are involved.

For comparison, I'm into the second year on the subscription for the Spot II and I see the charges on my credit card was $180 USD. I was expecting something in the range of $149 but I see there is an $17.99 device replacement insurance cost and the annual $12.99 rescue insurance.

Given the difference of $60 between the Spot II and the DeLorme InReach annual subscription, I'm sure for the times that I use the InReach, I could send quite a few text messages for $60. Otherwise. 99% of the time I'd be using the tracking feature. The 10 min. interval on the Spot II is fine if you're traveling at high speed in or on a vehicle. For hiking, a longer interval and therefore more battery life would be fine. Apparently with the InReach, you can set the tracking interval.

The weak link in either the Connect or the InReach is the cell phone. At the rate smart phones consume power, the phone will die within days into the trip. Also it doesn't take much to mess up the phone, such as leaving it on, dropping it, or getting it wet.

The devices are slowly getting there. . One day it'll be a waterproof, floating device that will fit in the palm of your hand, weighing no more than 175 g and have a mechanical keyboard and a small text screen.
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Old 08-26-2011, 06:29 PM   #12
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A retailer's website shows the monthly subscription for InReach starting at $9.99 or roughly $120 per year. There are no details how many free messages you get or the per message cost or what other fees are involved.
My understanding is that they may charge something on the order of $0.50 per text message. I haven't see that published anywhere for the inReach, but another user of the Iridium modem charges something like that. My guess is the $9.99 per month will cover live tracking at some nominal update rate, but may not include any text messages. We'll see!
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Old 09-10-2011, 07:32 AM   #13
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.. well howdy ...

DeLorme Earthmate PN-60W Portable GPS Navigator with SPOT Satellite Communicator

http://www.amazon.com/DeLorme-Earthm...5665131&sr=8-1

.. anyone checked this out or have any input?? .. I just started a thread asking the same before I found this one ..

WP .. looks like you're familiar with DeLorme already .. any input?? ..

.. I'm already planning on getting a SPOT next year .. this rig may be the "Tax Refund Present" to myself ..
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Old 09-26-2011, 06:43 PM   #14
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They have announced the subscription pricing for the inreach:

http://blog.delorme.com/2011/09/

$10/mo - no tracking, includes 10 msgs/mo, $1.50 per msg after

$25/mo - unlimited tracking, incl 40 msgs/mo, $0.50 per msg after

$50/mo - unlimited tracking, incl 120 msgs/mo, $0.25 per msg after

You can move to a cheaper plan for $25 or move up for free.

Messages are both send AND received!


SPOT
- crappy Globalstar network
- send only
- no text messages
- no message sent confirmation
- tracking
- $100 unit cost
- $100/yr for basic service - no tracking
- $150/yr for basic plus tracking

INREACH
- High availablity Iridium network
- two way text messaging
- message sent confirmation
- $250 unit cost
- $120/yr for basic service - no tracking, 10 text msgs/month
- $300/yr for tracking and 40 msgs/month

In summary, to have reliable tracking you have to pay upfront an extra $150, and then $150/yr for inreach.

My wife wants the INREACH - I concur.
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Old 09-27-2011, 03:59 AM   #15
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I like it. I'm not in the market for one, but it is absolutely superior to the Spot offering IMO.

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They have announced the subscription pricing for the inreach:

http://blog.delorme.com/2011/09/

$10/mo - no tracking, includes 10 msgs/mo, $1.50 per msg after

$25/mo - unlimited tracking, incl 40 msgs/mo, $0.50 per msg after

$50/mo - unlimited tracking, incl 120 msgs/mo, $0.25 per msg after

You can move to a cheaper plan for $25 or move up for free.

Messages are both send AND received!


SPOT
- crappy Globalstar network
- send only
- no text messages
- no message sent confirmation
- tracking
- $100 unit cost
- $100/yr for basic service - no tracking
- $150/yr for basic plus tracking

INREACH
- High availablity Iridium network
- two way text messaging
- message sent confirmation
- $250 unit cost
- $120/yr for basic service - no tracking, 10 text msgs/month
- $300/yr for tracking and 40 msgs/month

In summary, to have reliable tracking you have to pay upfront an extra $150, and then $150/yr for inreach.

My wife wants the INREACH - I concur.
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