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Old 06-21-2011, 01:01 PM   #1
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So I had to stop by the big plasma LCD box house yesterday....

It was soooo painfully obvious they don't want to sell plasma it was almost painful! ALL the plasmas I looked at, save for those that do not have a LCD equivalent, were set up so wrong, theyt looked like crap compared to even cheaper LCD's.

I sell commercial plasmas, and commercial CLASS LCD so know what the margin is on both, the margin on plasma being about 1/3rd what it is on LCD. So I know what they are doing. PLUS they don't have to answer all the OLD ASS plasma problem questions everyone seems to remember from five years ago that have all now been addressed. AND they don't have to sell a competitive technology against one they make more money on.

I asked the sales man for the remote for the Panasonic TC-P50ST30 so I could set it up right and he looked at me funny then got it. I set it up nice, and the guy with the other sales man walked away form the 55in LED TV he was looking at to look at this plasma...he saw the picture was far superior and started asking about the plasma....the sales guy that was trying to sell him on the 55in LED was pissed since the 55 was about 500 more than the 50in plasma....and the margin thing....

Well, I actually saw the sales guy who got me the remote reset it to their set up whilst I was up at the counter paying for a product! He intentionally set it up to look like shit!!!! And I saw him do it! After paying for my box I went and asked him about it, he said Store policy man. I walked out shaking my head hoping for a better day.
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:12 PM   #2
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I don't know shit about TV set-up, but a few months ago I bought a 42" 720p 120hz plasma for $400 and couldn't be happier. I can't believe you can get a TV so nice for so little money, it's about 12" bigger than any TV I thought I'd ever own.
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:26 PM   #3
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I don't know shit about TV set-up, but a few months ago I bought a 42" 720p 120hz plasma for $400 and couldn't be happier. I can't believe you can get a TV so nice for so little money, it's about 12" bigger than any TV I thought I'd ever own.
I can make a 400 dollar tv look like a 1200 dollar tv....it is all in the set up. The stores on the other hand can make a 1200 dollar plasma look like a 400 dollar LCD......
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Old 06-21-2011, 05:00 PM   #4
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Hey Sniper X,
What's the "proper" way to set up a plasma TV? I've got a 52" Samsung (seemed very comparable to the Pioneer) that I'm sure needs some tweaking to make a predominantly dark picture more better. I've read about DVD's being available to properly calibrate the set, but what's your take on it? Do what "looks" right? I'm limited in my knowledge of what all the adjustments can do...
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Old 06-21-2011, 05:06 PM   #5
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when I got my off brand plasma years ago (insignia) it came out of the box set in "torch mode" brightness maxed, color maxed, contrast way off and tint off, had to turn the brightness down by half, same for color, move the contrast, and then adjust tint so people looked like people, not bad sunburn cases

also have a smaller lcd and it came the same way
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:17 PM   #6
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When I was shopping for mine a few years ago I took my old Pathfinder TSG with a length of co-ax and an RCA adapter into the big box. Patched into the analog, put up bars and adjusted. You'd think I had just healed a leper by the staffs reaction.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:05 PM   #7
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when I got my off brand plasma years ago (insignia) it came out of the box set in "torch mode" brightness maxed, color maxed, contrast way off and tint off, had to turn the brightness down by half, same for color, move the contrast, and then adjust tint so people looked like people, not bad sunburn cases

also have a smaller lcd and it came the same way
LCDs seem to come like that and with the sharpness to 100% over max.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:04 PM   #8
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Hey Sniper X,
What's the "proper" way to set up a plasma TV? I've got a 52" Samsung (seemed very comparable to the Pioneer) that I'm sure needs some tweaking to make a predominantly dark picture more better. I've read about DVD's being available to properly calibrate the set, but what's your take on it? Do what "looks" right? I'm limited in my knowledge of what all the adjustments can do...
There is a lot of personal preference in it. I tend to set up my home units with lower brightenss because I hate the washy look of a standard set up. But there are a lot of things to set up in the menu so best thing to do is look thru the standard set ups and find the best one suited to your likeness and tweak on it a little.

Buying a cd or set up equipment is really overkill because all content is not to a standard, so you would be tweaking all the time anyway.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:35 PM   #9
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I don't know shit about TV set-up, but a few months ago I bought a 42" 720p 120hz plasma for $400 and couldn't be happier. I can't believe you can get a TV so nice for so little money, it's about 12" bigger than any TV I thought I'd ever own.
Oh, and there is no such thing as a 120hz plasma, all plasma works at 600hz.....not a sluggy 120hz!
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:07 PM   #10
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BTW I was once in a box store where the sales guy was telling a customer that a TV was real HD. I told him, after the client left, that it wasn't and they were watching ATSC highly compressed HD, and he got all macho and told me this....
Hey BRO, don't try to battle me on knowledge on tv yo, I have MAD SKILLZ Yo! I said sure you do, and walked off. Laughing.
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:57 PM   #11
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I'm pleasantly surprised that my parents--with no knowledge on the subject--went out to buy a TV and ended up with a nice Panasonic plasma. But then it was a small local retailer vs a big box store.
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:29 PM   #12
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I saw best buy had a samsung 51" plasma for $899. 1080p 600hz.
shit now on their website its under $799 but i have to jump thru a hoop to see exactly how much.
[edit: nope thats for the 720p one which i do not want]

it would be a nice jump from my 60hz chinese 40"lcd.

only problem is i spend 85% of my time in front of my samsung 25" computer monitor. hard to spend 7 bills on something i only watch when the big bang theory is on.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+...&skuId=2584325
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:53 AM   #13
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I saw best buy had a samsung 51" plasma for $899. 1080p 600hz.
shit now on their website its under $799 but i have to jump thru a hoop to see exactly how much.
[edit: nope thats for the 720p one which i do not want]

it would be a nice jump from my 60hz chinese 40"lcd.

only problem is i spend 85% of my time in front of my samsung 25" computer monitor. hard to spend 7 bills on something i only watch when the big bang theory is on.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+...&skuId=2584325
Just a note, since all plasma is 600hz, it doesn't need to be noted. I think this is funny because you HAVE to note that the LCDs are either 20 or 240hz then everyone goes all gaga till they see a plasma is standard at 600hz! Also, all lcd works at 60hz, and is OVERCLOCKED at the processor to run either 120 or 240hz so it is only a smoke screen. It does look a little better in motion than 60hz, but there are also drawbacks to overclocking that are tradeoffs in other areas.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:04 AM   #14
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Just a note, since all plasma is 600hz, it doesn't need to be noted. I think this is funny because you HAVE to note that the LCDs are either 20 or 240hz then everyone goes all gaga till they see a plasma is standard at 600hz! Also, all lcd works at 60hz, and is OVERCLOCKED at the processor to run either 120 or 240hz so it is only a smoke screen. It does look a little better in motion than 60hz, but there are also drawbacks to overclocking that are tradeoffs in other areas.
Isn't standard TV broadcast at 60hz, though?
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Old 07-01-2011, 05:40 PM   #15
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So is it correct to say that the only time you would see a difference is watching a blue ray or a high def broadcast? Would standard broadcast be similar? Not trying to be a wise ass, I'm interested in an answer from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. When I bought my Toshiba LCD, the plasmas were still having the burn in issues and glare issues. If they have really addressed the problems I would consider one in the future. But for now I'm quite pleased when this is playing a blue ray disc at 1080p.
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