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Old 10-04-2011, 01:11 PM   #1
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Question Kevlar & Kevlar Mesh riding gear

Hello folks,
We are "considering" adding Kevlar and Kevlar Mesh suits to our lineup in addition to the Power Shell and Lombard series. Yes these would be the same materials used by Motoport.

My question is, how many of you are looking for Kevlar/Kevlar Mesh gear and what do you want to spend on it. Before we invest in the idea, i want to get an idea of what you folks(the ones who are looking Kevlar based gear) have on your mind.

Please do share - All kinds of comments are welcome
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:15 PM   #2
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Old 10-04-2011, 03:36 PM   #3
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Better looking than Motoport (shouldn't be hard) and half the price!
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:20 PM   #4
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Better looking than Motoport (shouldn't be hard) and half the price!
those two are pretty much a given. (not half but quite a bit less)
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Old 10-04-2011, 05:41 PM   #5
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It's more than the fabric though. Their stuff is built to be bullet proof. Is yours?

If you can match the build quality, you'll have a winner. By far the biggest complaint on Motoport gear is aesthetic. Thing is though there isn't much out there that will beat it on tumble-ability. Anecdotally, it's the best. And, the ugliest. Bulkiest. Clunkiest.

Their quad armor rocks. The Sas-Tec you're using now might be kick ass in a lab, but put it in a suit in the cold and it's a rock. I don't want to land on that. How about upgrading to T-Pro for real protection? If you're upgrading from your generic "CE" whatever that means, how about going whole hog and really upgrading?
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Old 10-04-2011, 08:28 PM   #6
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Hello folks,
We are "considering" adding Kevlar and Kevlar Mesh suits to our lineup in addition to the Power Shell and Lombard series. Yes these would be the same materials used by Motoport.

My question is, how many of you are looking for Kevlar/Kevlar Mesh gear and what do you want to spend on it. Before we invest in the idea, i want to get an idea of what you folks(the ones who are looking Kevlar based gear) have on your mind.

Please do share - All kinds of comments are welcome
Thanks
I am looking for kevlar/mesh kevlar.

What do I want to spend on it? Well, as little as possible. However, I understand real quality costs real money. I spent just shy of $1300 for my current motoport jacket and pants, and another $120, or so, on the gloves. The benefit exceeds the cost, but I am not opposed to increase my margin; $1000 for a good outfit that will last for years is a no-brainer for me.

I expect impact protection for most of my body, superior seam strength, tear resistance, and abrasion resistance. Furthermore, the gear must provide year round flexibility. It must be extremely durable for daily abuse, washable, and low maintenance. It needs to be able to be serviced by you in a reasonable time frame. Easy on and off, particularly for the pants (some of us are old, and we played hard in the past). It should have SOLAS level reflective material. I don't care a whole bunch about how it looks - I understand function over form. At this level of spending, I'm not so sure that "pretty" is important. "Rugged" is a look, too, and one that is appreciated. It must work, all the time.

My motoport gear is built to last. Though I spent a lot of money on it, it will last me for a long, long time, say, oh, about 15-20 years. It isn't stylish, so I don't run the risk of ever going out of style.
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:13 PM   #7
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I have a motorport suit and just returned from a London to Beijing trip and the suit worked well..would certainly buy another kevlar or kevlar mesh suit as it is very functional for a trip with many different temps and conditions..pricing is always important but the protection used tumps all..so use good protection ..design it well and sell it cheap and it will sell ..bj
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:54 AM   #8
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JIM - not sure how to word this but - i mostly try to avoid marketing in a manner like "hey this is absolutely the best stuff and most bullet proof stuff out there". As you said, most of the feedback is anecdotal. Wherever we have some proper test results we will provide them and where we don't we will simply say so.

As far as Sas-Tec goes, i have personally (again anecdotal) not experienced the "hardening" of the armor. Apart from the that, the protectors "feel" very protective and are extremely comfortable. I have the choice of using armor from several different vendors but chose Sas-Tec for these reasons. Yes they do provide test data for those who need - for those who don't can always look up crash reports for gear using this sort of armor.

I dont mind using T-PRO if folks are willing to pay for it. However, we are a small company and cant risk investing in T-PRO armor and then have people backing off and saying hey its too expensive. If enough people are willing to commit ahead of time then we dont mind using T-PRO ....or any other material/part.


the worst kind: All good points. i disagree with just one point though. when i spend a large sum of money (large for me at least) i kind of want everything too - including proper design (good looks?).


Generally, i kind of knew it would start tilting towards a motoport comparison but thats not really what the point of this thread is. I want to get an idea of what amount people want to spend on this sort of gear. What can they live with and what they can live without - whats necessary and where can you compromise Were you considering this sort of gear and then dropped the idea ? Why - because of price? because of looks?
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Old 10-05-2011, 06:26 PM   #9
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I won't repeat what TheWorstKind said...he pretty well covered why I wear Motoport.

I will add that I read your "Women's One-Piece" with great interest. I even showed it to my wife, and if you knew how sick of ADV she is... The one thing I thought it was really missing was kevlar construction, which would sway me to buy Motoport for her. Kevlar vs nylon is a deal-breaker for me, and probably many others. FYI.
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Old 10-10-2011, 03:04 PM   #10
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... What can they live with and what they can live without - whats necessary and where can you compromise Were you considering this sort of gear and then dropped the idea ? Why - because of price? because of looks?
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a) hi viz
b) water proof on the outside
c) no armor -- but pockets for it with adjustible straps
d) 3 piece design (if possible) where pieces are 'zipped' and strapped together -- to allow for functional '4 season' modular setup
e) would spend 400 usd for jacket and pants -- no armor option.
f) I do not know if possible, but some sort of antiseptic/antibacterial /refilable lining
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:09 PM   #11
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I want to get an idea of what amount people want to spend on this sort of gear. What can they live with and what they can live without - whats necessary and where can you compromise Were you considering this sort of gear and then dropped the idea ? Why - because of price? because of looks?
As a potential customer, I can't refrain from wanting to pay as little as possible Can't say I thought of a price, but what would help everybody is to have the option of getting a discount for buying both jacket/pants, even if they're not bought at the same time- if you're already doing it then ignore.

With regards to 'compromising', that's the wrong way to start a conversation about kevlar products I'd think that people who own or would like to own such products are doing it in an effort to get the best fabric there is. Otherwise, plenty of choices out there. Hence this gear should carry a premium price just because you DON'T want to compromise on fabric, assembly, armour- and armour coverage, and warranty. And yes, it would be great if there was an option for T-Pro armour, I understand the cost issues, just saying that it would be great if one could buy your product knowing that everything is top-notch.

I have kevlar gear, not mesh, and as others have said, my main complaint is the bulkiness- the material itself is awesome, saved my ass couple times, once saved it big time.

My wife and I would be in the market for a 2-piece suit with 360 zipper, if the suit is not a compromise


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Old 10-10-2011, 06:35 PM   #12
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wow - great feedback

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With regards to 'compromising', that's the wrong way to start a conversation about kevlar products


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lol yeah i dont think i worded that correctly. i just wanted to say gimme your priority list of features

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My wife and I would be in the market for a 2-piece suit with 360 zipper, if the suit is not a compromise

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All our 2 piece stuff always has 2 sets of zippers, one 360 and one 8 inch so you can take your pick


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Just for starters, legs and arms need to be pre-curved so that they fit best when a rider is in a riding position. On a kevlar suit (like my dual layer GPII), the material itself can be quite thick, this is fine in most places, but a real problem behind the knees and elbows, especially combined with the insufficient pre-curve of the suit. The material bunches up badly, making it uncomfortable to ride a sport bike while wearing the suit. There's no reason the back of the knee needs exactly the same amount and thickness of material as the front of the knee - the back of the knee should have fairly thin, stretchy stuff. The front thick, super-durable stuff. Same with the wrists, a wrist closure should allow the jacket to close snugly around a wrist without much extra bulk so full gauntlet gloves can be worn (motoport is too bulky, for that matter so are the leather jackets I got from you are a bit bulky in the wrist and hard to wear with gloves too).
take a look at the new Diego updates - we have added fabric panels behind the blows and arms for added comfort then you are sitting on the bike. The updated cuffs on the new textile stuff works excellent too - much more comfortable and easier to work with.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:51 PM   #13
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My 2 cents may be slightly different.

I already think you guys are on the right track with the Cordura and SuperFabric materials you're using in the Navigator and PowerShell suits. From all I've heard that's good stuff.

There are way too many threads on ADV with debates on Motoport's kevlar vs other fabrics and whether their armor (Tri, Quad, whatever) is really as great as they say it is. One thing I think most will agree on is that Motoport appears to have the best armor coverage. I've considered getting an Aerostich or one of your one-piece suits for commuting, but what keeps me using Motoport besides the fabrics is the amount and placement of the padding.

So, for me, I don't have to have kevlar if I can get Cordura, Super Fabric and all that for abrasion resistance. Just make sure I'm padded up like a bubble-wrapped egg and I'm good to go.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:55 PM   #14
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One more thing I forgot: it's gotta have a super-obnoxious retina-searing hi-viz color option.
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:00 PM   #15
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One more thing I forgot: it's gotta have a super-obnoxious retina-searing hi-viz color option.
+1 Armor +1 on the Hi-Viz. Durable and long lasting. Price would seem to be relative depending on product quality. If your going to make high end gear then don't cut corners.
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