For the Alfa Romeo fans

UnderNewOwnership · 10-05-2011, 09:46 PM

All four of you... You know who you are...

It would seem that after testing the prototype of the upcoming Alfa Romeo 4C, Harald Wester (Chief Technology Officer - FIAT, CEO - Alfa Romeo, Maserati) was unimpressed by the preliminary results and demanded a do-over.

The result of that do-over is a completely new engine (not a development of the current 1.75-litre), 1.8 litres in displacement, full-aluminium construction. It features a slightly improved version of the MultiAir variable timing system, direct injection and a variable geometry turbocharger. Power is reputed to be around 300 hp (compared to the current 235 of the 1.75).

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...111009992/1193

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...er-engine.html

http://www.cartechnica.co.uk/blog/Al...petrol-engine-

Nailhead · 10-06-2011, 08:33 AM

Looks cool, but I doubt I'll ever get to see one domestically.

dlearl476 · 10-06-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailhead

Looks cool, but I doubt I'll ever get to see one domestically.

They've been talking about it for what, 5 years now? I can't believe FIAT made it back to the states before Alfa Romeo.

Mav · 10-06-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailhead

Looks cool, but I doubt I'll ever get to see one domestically.

I thought the 4C was key to their getting back in to the US strategy...

Anyway, 300HP... in this:

rool

LuciferMutt · 12-30-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailhead

Looks cool, but I doubt I'll ever get to see one domestically.

Actually, we have a pretty decent chance of seeing this one stateside. Thanks the relative success of Fiat in the states and thanks to Fiat's majority control of Chrysler group and Alfa, they have all the dealer network they need. That was how the Fiat 500 was brought over -- through the pre-existing Chrysler network after Fiat VASTLY improved the quality of damn near everything the sell and all their manufacturing plants!

Nailhead · 12-31-2012, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LuciferMutt

Actually, we have a pretty decent chance of seeing this one stateside.

If I'm not mistaken, the Brera is no longer in production.

doug s. · 12-30-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailhead

Looks cool, but I doubt I'll ever get to see one domestically.

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Originally Posted by LuciferMutt

Actually, we have a pretty decent chance of seeing this one stateside. Thanks the relative success of Fiat in the states and thanks to Fiat's majority control of Chrysler group and Alfa, they have all the dealer network they need. That was how the Fiat 500 was brought over -- through the pre-existing Chrysler network after Fiat VASTLY improved the quality of damn near everything the sell and all their manufacturing plants!

actually, if you go to a dodge dealer and look at the dart, what you are looking at is the alfa giulietta hit w/an ugly stick. for about ~$20k, you can get a pretty nicely set-up ride, w/the same turbo engine as what's in the fiat 500 abarth edition. including a 6-speed transmission; the abarth only has a 5-speed. i don't understand why the abarth costs ~$8k more than the the dart turbo. too bad, really; if fiat had lowered the prices of the standard 500's and the abarths ~$6k or so, they'd have sold like hotcakes...

doug s.

LuciferMutt · 01-01-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by doug s.

i don't understand why the abarth costs ~$8k more than the the dart turbo.

Because the Abarth is genuinely race tuned and handles and performs like it. Cast steel control arms. Forged wheels. Special hi frequency shocks and appropriate springs, etc. Plus a lot of track time development. Can't say that for the Dart. I think they're cool, but I can definitely see why the Abarth is more expensive. It's $8k the performance car the Dart is.

doug s. · 01-01-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciferMutt

Because the Abarth is genuinely race tuned and handles and performs like it. Cast steel control arms. Forged wheels. Special hi frequency shocks and appropriate springs, etc. Plus a lot of track time development. Can't say that for the Dart. I think they're cool, but I can definitely see why the Abarth is more expensive. It's $8k the performance car the Dart is.

the dart is no slouch performance-wise, as it is an alfa giulietta underneath. you can get it w/18" wheels, for a list price of $21k, which includes the turbo engine and a 6 speed trans. same price as a well equipped non-abarth 500. for the prices they are asking for the 500's, they all should come w/a 6 speed transmission, imo...

doug s.

DIRTDUC · 10-06-2011, 02:58 PM

As they say in England...that's dead sexy...
I worked for Alfa Romeo for a long time in Australia and worked in conjunction with Alfa Australia when the GTV-6 came out and had a bunch of oil leaks (go figure), I have always thought that Alfa has produced some of the sexiest vehicles to come off the assembly line..

Sniper X · 10-06-2011, 03:00 PM

Always loved Alfas but never owned one. My buddies dad was the local sales manager for them back in the 1970s and he always came home in a cool one. I remember the Alfetta GT he brought home once was SOOO modern looking and had a Turbo!

Nailhead · 10-06-2011, 03:23 PM

Had a '61 Giulietta Spider which I really liked, but it needed a full resto & I don't have that kind of patience.

A buddy of mine had a Berlina, an Alfetta, and was given a total basket case '59 Giulietta Veloce.

All fun cars, all good memories, which is why I would love to have this:

What a great looking car.

Sniper X · 10-06-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailhead

Had a '61 Giulietta Spider which I really liked, but it needed a full resto & I don't have that kind of patience.

A buddy of mine had a Berlina, an Alfetta, and was given a total basket case '59 Giulietta Veloce.

All fun cars, all good memories, which is why I would love to have this:

What a great looking car.

All three top gear blokes say that is one of the prettiest cars ever designed, but all agree it is way too slow.

Nailhead · 10-06-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper X

All three top gear blokes say that is one of the prettiest cars ever designed, but all agree it is way too slow.

I think I could make that sacrifice given that engines can always be made more powerful.

doug s. · 10-07-2011, 11:09 PM

as a long time alfa driver, i finally gave up using them as a daily driver a coupla years ago - it's simply too hard to now find parts for these lovely cars. i still have one left - an 85.5 gtv6 w/3.0, tweaked ecu/headers/suspension/etc. but, no more daily driving. i put ~130k in 10 years on my last '86 gtv6 as a daily ride (shared w/my bikes), and pretty-much destroyed it - tinworm and too many misc little things wrong w/parts that are basically unobtanium now. this one deserves a better fate - it's basically a straight rust-free donor body w/all the performance goodies from the one i trashed. besides the gtv6's, i had three milano's and two 164's. nice rides. some day, alfa may be back in the usa. hahahaha!

doug s.

10-05-2011, 09:46 PM	#1
UnderNewOwnership ^OP Thread Slayer Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Eastern Yurp Oddometer: 3,208	For the Alfa Romeo fans All four of you... You know who you are... It would seem that after testing the prototype of the upcoming Alfa Romeo 4C, Harald Wester (Chief Technology Officer - FIAT, CEO - Alfa Romeo, Maserati) was unimpressed by the preliminary results and demanded a do-over. The result of that do-over is a completely new engine (not a development of the current 1.75-litre), 1.8 litres in displacement, full-aluminium construction. It features a slightly improved version of the MultiAir variable timing system, direct injection and a variable geometry turbocharger. Power is reputed to be around 300 hp (compared to the current 235 of the 1.75). http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...111009992/1193 http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...er-engine.html http://www.cartechnica.co.uk/blog/Al...petrol-engine-

10-06-2011, 08:33 AM	#2
Nailhead Painting by numbers Joined: Apr 2003 Location: Glendo, WY- Pop. 230 Oddometer: 5,387	Looks cool, but I doubt I'll ever get to see one domestically. __________________ -Chris '04 GS Adv- A fond memory '07 990 Adventure- still bonding... How hard can it be? - Jeremy Clarkson

10-06-2011, 03:00 PM	#11
Sniper X De Oppresso Liber Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Central New Mexico, 7420ft above sea level Oddometer: 30,297	Always loved Alfas but never owned one. My buddies dad was the local sales manager for them back in the 1970s and he always came home in a cool one. I remember the Alfetta GT he brought home once was SOOO modern looking and had a Turbo! __________________ "I claim to be frightened of horses but do so only to get out of attending parades. It's peculiar but ...it works. The Horses get it. RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE. IT'S VOLTAGE DIVIDED BY CURRENT

10-06-2011, 03:23 PM	#12
Nailhead Painting by numbers Joined: Apr 2003 Location: Glendo, WY- Pop. 230 Oddometer: 5,387	Had a '61 Giulietta Spider which I really liked, but it needed a full resto & I don't have that kind of patience. A buddy of mine had a Berlina, an Alfetta, and was given a total basket case '59 Giulietta Veloce. All fun cars, all good memories, which is why I would love to have this: What a great looking car. __________________ -Chris '04 GS Adv- A fond memory '07 990 Adventure- still bonding... How hard can it be? - Jeremy Clarkson

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10-06-2011, 02:58 PM	#10
DIRTDUC Banned Joined: May 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Florida Oddometer: 644	As they say in England...that's dead sexy... I worked for Alfa Romeo for a long time in Australia and worked in conjunction with Alfa Australia when the GTV-6 came out and had a bunch of oil leaks (go figure), I have always thought that Alfa has produced some of the sexiest vehicles to come off the assembly line..

10-07-2011, 11:09 PM	#15
doug s. Beastly Adventurer Joined: May 2011 Location: md Oddometer: 1,165	as a long time alfa driver, i finally gave up using them as a daily driver a coupla years ago - it's simply too hard to now find parts for these lovely cars. i still have one left - an 85.5 gtv6 w/3.0, tweaked ecu/headers/suspension/etc. but, no more daily driving. i put ~130k in 10 years on my last '86 gtv6 as a daily ride (shared w/my bikes), and pretty-much destroyed it - tinworm and too many misc little things wrong w/parts that are basically unobtanium now. this one deserves a better fate - it's basically a straight rust-free donor body w/all the performance goodies from the one i trashed. besides the gtv6's, i had three milano's and two 164's. nice rides. some day, alfa may be back in the usa. hahahaha! doug s.