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Old 05-28-2012, 04:34 PM   #1
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Touring the alps, tell me what I've missed.

Mods - Apologies if this belongs in Trip Planning, feel free to move it.


Ok, so this is our planned route. It is most definitely a work in progress.



See it in detail here - http://goo.gl/maps/fg9e

I've looked at various ride reports to pick some interesting routes. I've also spent time on Best Biking Roads and some time just looking for wiggly roads on google earth and street view.

The main focus of the trip is the Alps. Most of the way through France, Belgium and Germany is aimed at getting there quickly, except for Luxembourg (another pin on the wall atlas) and a diversion in the Black Forest. The same applies for the route back from Geneva.

The Brief -
We have 16 days.
We go mid July.
Predominately looking to camp where we can find space, but a cheap B&B/Hotel isn't out of the question.
If time allows I'd quite like to spend a couple of days in the same spot to chill out and take in some roads without the luggage.
My riding buddy has done the alps a few times before me, but is happy this time to just add the odd road he'd like to try.
I've driven to the north of Italy, the south of france, etc., but never been to the continent on a bike.

What would be great is if some of you guys could give our route the once over and if we are missing by meters an amazing spot or road say 'Woah! dudes! don't miss out on (insert awesome feature here)!"
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:13 AM   #2
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Mods - Apologies if this belongs in Trip Planning, feel free to move it.


Ok, so this is our planned route. It is most definitely a work in progress.



See it in detail here - http://goo.gl/maps/fg9e

I've looked at various ride reports to pick some interesting routes. I've also spent time on Best Biking Roads and some time just looking for wiggly roads on google earth and street view.

The main focus of the trip is the Alps. Most of the way through France, Belgium and Germany is aimed at getting there quickly, except for Luxembourg (another pin on the wall atlas) and a diversion in the Black Forest. The same applies for the route back from Geneva.

The Brief -
We have 16 days.
We go mid July.
Predominately looking to camp where we can find space, but a cheap B&B/Hotel isn't out of the question.
If time allows I'd quite like to spend a couple of days in the same spot to chill out and take in some roads without the luggage.
My riding buddy has done the alps a few times before me, but is happy this time to just add the odd road he'd like to try.
I've driven to the north of Italy, the south of france, etc., but never been to the continent on a bike.

What would be great is if some of you guys could give our route the once over and if we are missing by meters an amazing spot or road say 'Woah! dudes! don't miss out on (insert awesome feature here)!"
Extra ADV Credits* will be given for pictures/video.

Cheers.

*ADV Credits are non exchangeable, non transferable, have no monetary value and are a figment of the OP's imagination.
Looks good to me. The only reaction I had to the Geneva-Dunkirk was an immediate cramp in me bum just thinking about that ride. Boring is an understatement. If you're actually going into Geneva for a look, and if you have a little extra time, I'd suggest going to Gex, France, to Morez, then to Belfort, north through the Vosges mountains between Belfort and Nancy. From there you could hook into the Ardennes again. Loads better scenery but I fully understand the tendency to be quick on the return.
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:56 AM   #3
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Looks good to me. The only reaction I had to the Geneva-Dunkirk was an immediate cramp in me bum just thinking about that ride. Boring is an understatement. If you're actually going into Geneva for a look, and if you have a little extra time, I'd suggest going to Gex, France, to Morez, then to Belfort, north through the Vosges mountains between Belfort and Nancy. From there you could hook into the Ardennes again. Loads better scenery but I fully understand the tendency to be quick on the return.
I have driven through some of the above mentioned areas and agree with this. The Vosges has some great looking motorcycle roads.

The only downside is that it will take longer than the route you have currently.
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:03 PM   #4
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In Bourg-en-Bresse, stop and eat. They give good chicken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poulet_de_Bresse
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:33 PM   #5
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Spend more time in the Dolomites , won't be deluded.
Cut the Lesachtal to Hermagor , not so interesting.
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:52 PM   #7
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Ok, so this is our planned route. It is most definitely a work in progress.
Might be a good idea to talk to the addicts then...the guys in the know.
http://www.alpineroads.com/phpBB3/

And get onto Michael J there !

Your route misses about 99% of the good stuff....but who's got 20 years to spare to really ride it all?

To give you some squared-eyes and a massive headache, check this 2500+pic !!! Ben Hur sized yarn.
http://www.austouring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1506

Followed by a lousy 1200+ pics in the sequel
http://www.austouring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2645
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:32 AM   #8
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Might be a good idea to talk to the addicts then...the guys in the know.
http://www.alpineroads.com/phpBB3/

And get onto Michael J there !
Or here, for that matter

Thanks for the vote of confidence
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:03 PM   #9
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No better fountain of Alps-Wisdom around....simple
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:00 AM   #10
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Looks good to me. The only reaction I had to the Geneva-Dunkirk was an immediate cramp in me bum just thinking about that ride. Boring is an understatement. If you're actually going into Geneva for a look, and if you have a little extra time, I'd suggest going to Gex, France, to Morez, then to Belfort, north through the Vosges mountains between Belfort and Nancy. From there you could hook into the Ardennes again. Loads better scenery but I fully understand the tendency to be quick on the return.
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I have driven through some of the above mentioned areas and agree with this. The Vosges has some great looking motorcycle roads.

The only downside is that it will take longer than the route you have currently.

Tell me about it, I've driven home that way a couple of times before. It never failed to bore me.

That said, time is precious. As this trip is about covering as much of the alps as we can I'm willing to pay the price on the way home. Thanks for the info though, If plans change or when we go back I'll keep that route in mind. (We might use that as the approach and come back through Germany.....)




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In Bourg-en-Bresse, stop and eat. They give good chicken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poulet_de_Bresse
I like me some chicken. Thanks for the tip, thats dinner sorted for one day!



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Spend more time in the Dolomites , won't be deluded.
Cut the Lesachtal to Hermagor , not so interesting.
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Yes, I've always fancied the dolomites, I love the contrast between the lush rolling alpine meadows and the stark Limestone Towers.

The Lesachtal to Hermagor is my buddies choice, I'm happy to ride it to see a different side of the alps.


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Might be a good idea to talk to the addicts then...the guys in the know.
http://www.alpineroads.com/phpBB3/

And get onto Michael J there !

Your route misses about 99% of the good stuff....but who's got 20 years to spare to really ride it all?

To give you some squared-eyes and a massive headache, check this 2500+pic !!! Ben Hur sized yarn.
http://www.austouring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1506

Followed by a lousy 1200+ pics in the sequel
http://www.austouring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2645
Planning this route has been so tricky because every time I think I've joined a string of great rides I find a better one heading in the opposite direction! I'll have to go back again I guess.

When I get a free afternoon I'll have a read of that report, I glanced at it earlier and it seems to be a very comprehensive read!

Thanks for the other forum too, I'll get busy lurking.


Keep em coming guys. Just over a month before we set off.

Just need to get some new pads on the rear of the bike and some new rubber.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:15 PM   #11
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Missing a lot of the Dollies..... Wouldn't take more than a cuple more days to fully explore.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:13 AM   #12
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Looking at your route, you pass very close to us and almost the half way point on your journey.

If you don't fancy B&B, there is a good camp site just down the road. The Dachstein Glacier is something to experience.

If nothing else, pop in for a beer on your way past.

Have a look at our web site for information on the area and videos of some of the roads on our YouTube Channel. I have loads more to upload, it is finding the time.
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Looking at your route, you pass very close to us and almost the half way point on your journey.

If you don't fancy B&B, there is a good camp site just down the road. The Dachstein Glacier is something to experience.

If nothing else, pop in for a beer on your way past.

Have a look at our web site for information on the area and videos of some of the roads on our YouTube Channel. I have loads more to upload, it is finding the time.
Your place looks awesome. Will be contacting you shortly to reserve a few days!
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Old 08-08-2012, 02:32 AM   #14
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Looking at your route, you pass very close to us and almost the half way point on your journey.

If you don't fancy B&B, there is a good camp site just down the road. The Dachstein Glacier is something to experience.

If nothing else, pop in for a beer on your way past.

Have a look at our web site for information on the area and videos of some of the roads on our YouTube Channel. I have loads more to upload, it is finding the time.
All,
I just a spent a couple of days staying with Ali and Denise at their B&B and highly recommend it. They are great people, the B&B is gorgeous, and Ali knows all the roads. He also has a garage and is an avid biker. You won't find a better place to stay.

Finally, I would highly recommend avoiding the stretch between Karlsruhe and Munich. I just road it and it s 300K of traffic jams and construction. Plan at least an extra 2 hours for this stretch, or better yet, take a different, longer route where you can at least be moving.




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Old 06-11-2012, 01:33 PM   #15
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I've done just over a weeks riding with 3 buddies in that region. I would say from strasbourg, cut down earlier south to the Bodensee and from there drive east through Austria. And as other posters suggested, take in more from the Dolomites, they rock. Just a few pics from my trip overhere: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzCTAoQ

If you want I can try to salvage some of our route as an garmin file... just let me know

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