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Old 06-19-2012, 03:25 AM   #1
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What, no thread here yet? What speculation have ye tech gurus?

I like the keyboard thing built in and the onboard storage with microSD expansion is a nice touch. Guess it's a wait and see?
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:28 AM   #2
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What, no thread here yet? What speculation have ye tech gurus?

I like the keyboard thing built in and the onboard storage with microSD expansion is a nice touch. Guess it's a wait and see?
Too early to say at this stage but I predict the Jobbies will simply not be able to stop themselves from expressing their (negative) opinion
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:37 AM   #3
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Too early to say at this stage but I predict the Jobbies will simply not be able to stop themselves from expressing their (negative) opinion
That kool-aid does seem to be some powerful stuff.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:40 AM   #4
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I have an iPad3 and like it for a lot of reasons. Productivity isn't one.

If the keyboard/cover thingy on the Surface really works and I can get a proper MS Word software complete with annotation/correction functionality that seamlessly syncs with my Windows laptop AND it's cheaper than an iPad, I would seriously consider it.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:48 AM   #5
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I have an iPad3 and like it for a lot of reasons. Productivity isn't one.

If the keyboard/cover thingy on the Surface really works and I can get a proper MS Word software complete with annotation/correction functionality that seamlessly syncs with my Windows laptop AND it's cheaper than an iPad, I would seriously consider it.
To me, that thing missing with all these devices, if you want to be productive that is, is a mouse type device - I don't want to keep touching the screen, I want a mouse or trouchpad right there by my hand.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:44 AM   #6
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To me, that thing missing with all these devices, if you want to be productive that is, is a mouse type device - I don't want to keep touching the screen, I want a mouse or trouchpad right there by my hand.
It appears that there is a touchpad in the center of the Surface keyboard and it also has a USB port so I'm assuming you could plug a mouse in there.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:52 AM   #7
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It appears that there is a touchpad in the center of the Surface keyboard and it also has a USB port so I'm assuming you could plug a mouse in there.
I did see that. I'd still prefer the option to use a mouse (and a 'proper' keyboard) as well so if the USB port allows you to do that, that's a good thing in my book.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:03 AM   #8
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I did see that. I'd still prefer the option to use a mouse (and a 'proper' keyboard) as well so if the USB port allows you to do that, that's a good thing in my book.
From what I have been reading, the Surface will arrive in two waves. The first to get it to market with Windows RT or whatever they call their mobile platform and a Tecra mobile processor. The second a couple of months later will be the Surface with a full installation of Windows 8 Pro running on an Intel i5 processor. If you can't hook a USB mouse and keyboard up to that, then MS should fully consider scraping the entire program right now.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:25 PM   #9
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I have an iPad3 and like it for a lot of reasons. Productivity isn't one.

If the keyboard/cover thingy on the Surface really works and I can get a proper MS Word software complete with annotation/correction functionality that seamlessly syncs with my Windows laptop AND it's cheaper than an iPad, I would seriously consider it.
This sums up my thoughts exactly. I love my iPad but am not closed to other products. When I bought this iPad (first generation) it was the first new technology I had adopted "first", but the minute I saw it I knew it was the right product for me.

It actually has features I use at work. I can keep my engineering plan sets on it and call them up during site visits for discussion, for example. Design manuals are saved for fast reference. Maps and google earth are in our toolkit for land development. And so forth. But as a business traveler I also like the movies, long battery life, and 3G plus wifi capabilities. I have had times when my pc laptop would simple not log in for an email session, and the iPad performed flawlessly. It has been a revolutionary product for my life and I never felt it was a mistake.

Is it a replacement for a laptop? No, in a business sense it's a complement to it, but that's hardly the point. Repeating the mantra that tablets aren't as good as laptops is trite and all, but users of tablets aren't asking for laptop computing power. I have no pretensions of running a heavy duty engineering simulation on an iPad. But once out in the field, the iPad shines with portability and simplicity. A laptop just cant do it.

All this said, Surface looks really cool though, and if it offers something more akin to a laptop than the iPad, while still retaining tablet portability and functionality, I thnk it will be a strong contender. If Microsoft manages to actually take these "toy" arguments and produce a business machine with this level of portability, it will be the next step in my view.

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Old 06-19-2012, 07:48 AM   #10
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I have yet to find anything as good a and flexible as my Acer A500. It's fast, loks great, does everything I need and more, and I have a full sized USB Keyboard for when I HAVE to use it for things that warrant a keyboard instead of the touch screen one...which is stellar BTW.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:17 AM   #11
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I'm really looking forward to see the Win 8 version. Be nice to run Bascamp on and very portable. Supposed to be in the 'ultrabook' price range (which is a wide spread).

Have to wait till fall I guess. Hope a new Macbook Air won't follow me home before it comes!
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:29 AM   #12
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I have a zoom, 4g/wifi. I get a lot of use out of it. Its handy, but if I wanted to be productive, I'd take a laptop. Some of the tablets seem to want to bridge this gap - but I'm content with my tablet being a TV/receiver/htpc remote, game, Netflix/movie/music/book, GPS, email/Facebook/phone/SMS text machine - and for productivity stuff such as excel/remote desktop/SSH/SQL client/etc in a pinch.

Most tablets have Bluetooth so any really can have a mouse and or keyboard - but if I have to take a laptop bag, I'll take the laptop. Otherwise any semblance of convenience is lost, not to mention trying to fit a square into a round hole. As a convenience device it rocks as most tablets do.

I work from home, primarily on a laptop and go away to the site in a different state monthly. The tablet helps minimize how heavy that bag is, while still allowing me to keep in touch with the family and to allow for some entertainment while on the road.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:15 PM   #13
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Since we're all talking based on pretty much no knowledge about the thing, allow me to speculate:

There is no reason it won't work with a full sized keyboard and/or mouse. You already can use a keyboard/mouse with nearly any android tablet via both bluetooth and the usb port. I have plugged in a full size keyboard on my A500, used a usb mouse, and used it much like a laptop. There is an app (can't remember the name now and don't have the tablet handy) that lets you use an actual MS Word/PowerPoint/Excell, etc via cloud networking. Works and looks exactly like the computer version, and the files created pull up the same on any computer.

So, considering nearly any Android tablet already has this functionality the Surface definitely will. I'm guessing the built in keyboard will work just fine, but won't be quite as good as an actual keyboard, no surprises there. The touchpad will be a nice touch. Hopefully the price is reasonable. I'm not willing to spend ultrabook prices on a tablet, especially something unproven from Windows. If they were to do some sort of promotion like they did with the Windows Phone where people could trade in their old device for a huge discount on the Windows Phone, I would be very tempted to give the Surface a try.

I have to say, it would be REALLY nice to have a tablet with an actual OS on it. Apps are fun and handy most of the time, but there are many times where I just want to use a real program. As good as apps can get, they're not the same thing.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:45 PM   #14
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Yes the keyboard does have touchpad mouse area.



The other cool thing is that the keyboard is magnetically attached to the tablet, so if you don't need it, take it off.

I'm looking forward to the Intel version. It's going to have a pen! Yep, I said it... it will have a pen. Back in the 90's I had the idea of a 'book' pc. Two screen left right that was pen based, or one of the screens could be touch with a keyboard. I've always preferred using a pen/stylist over my finger. The idea of an electronic book for me is more logical than tablets. But the technology just wasn't there back in the 90's.

I know that MS has a new patent for fast response pen screens. Granted they said it would be a couple of years before they get it to consumer ready. But... who knows, they might have it ready now. I hope so. MS does have handwriting recognition in W7, and it's actually damn good. It's just that most screens are slow showing the actual line(s).
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:38 PM   #15
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The dimensions are odd, 16X9. The photos of it being held in someone's hands look strange. It looks like portrait orientation will be too narrow and landscape will be too short.
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