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Old 09-19-2012, 07:17 AM   #1
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Apple maps

Thinking there should be a place to keep all the apple maps info since iOS6 is released today. Looks like 3rd party devs
will be able to tap into the routing directly.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/...ps.html/page/1
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:31 AM   #2
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Looks like most of the features won't be available for iPhone 4 users that don't have Siri which is a bummer. Looking forward to the update, but....
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:35 AM   #3
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After seeing all the atrocious map images in Apple maps I'm wondering if the iPhone 5 can be run on the previous iOS5.
Hard to believe they would release something so half baked.
I miss Steve Jobs.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:03 AM   #4
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After seeing all the atrocious map images in Apple maps I'm wondering if the iPhone 5 can be run on the previous iOS5.
While it might be technically possible if it was hacked into a jailbroken phone, there will be no official Apple-endorsed way of running iOS 5 on the iPhone 5.

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Nice thought, but given his drive to crush Google, I am almost certain this was his idea and nobody else's.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:25 AM   #5
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Nice thought, but given his drive to crush Google, I am almost certain this was his idea and nobody else's.

I tend to agree that the use of "maps not from Google" was something Jobs
wanted to do. It was necessary because Google can and will use things which
are proprietary as weapons in the marketplace and that means that other companies
which chose to depend on Google product would be placing themselves in a vulnerable
position.

However, I very seriously doubt that Jobs would have accepted some of the product
that Apple has produced recently. Safari 6 losing its RSS reader and the control
over databases placed on the computer by websites are simply unacceptable.

I don't see the point in using Apple Maps in its less-than-ideal current form when
third-party solutions which allow nav without the need for a continuous cellular data
connection and which work quite well are available. Navigon, Motion X, and others are
good tools, and I speak from actual experience with these apps.

I think Tim Cook is a bean counter and that we will not in the future see the sort of excellence
from Apple that we saw when Jobs was at the reins. All good things come to an end, of course.


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Old 09-21-2012, 01:39 PM   #6
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However, I very seriously doubt that Jobs would have accepted some of the product
that Apple has produced recently. Safari 6 losing its RSS reader and the control
over databases placed on the computer by websites are simply unacceptable.
We're getting off-topic here, but I find Safari 6 to be the best release yet. The built-in RSS reader was absolute crap. IMO,of course. I use Google Reader within Safari 6 or Reeder on my iPad, so I don't miss the "loss" in functionality in Safari 6.

I don't understand what you mean about "databases placed on the computer" at all. Browsers store cookies only. Browser plugins store caches and stuff specific to those plugins, which has nothing to do with Safari itself.

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I don't see the point in using Apple Maps in its less-than-ideal current form when
third-party solutions which allow nav without the need for a continuous cellular data
connection and which work quite well are available. Navigon, Motion X, and others are
good tools, and I speak from actual experience with these apps.
I agree. I use Motion-X GPS and Motion-X Drive.

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I think Tim Cook is a bean counter and that we will not in the future see the sort of excellence
from Apple that we saw when Jobs was at the reins. All good things come to an end, of course.
I disagree.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:58 PM   #7
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I don't understand what you mean about "databases placed on the computer" at all. Browsers store cookies only. Browser plugins store caches and stuff specific to those plugins, which has nothing to do with Safari itself.


Browsers do not store cookies only. Some years ago that was true but things have
changed in several ways.

There are cookies and there are also Flash cookies. And then there is the
database which can be created by a website ( this database is permitted by the HTML5 spec,
and such databases install persistent data about your browsing habits on the device you use to browse
the web ).

If you care about privacy this stuff matters.


See this link for more on the HTML5 databases which can be stored on an iPhone as well
as on a computer running recent versions of Safari.

http://www.devdaily.com/iphone/iphon...istory-cookies



I agree the RSS reader on Safari 5.7 sucked, but it was sufficient for my needs and I prefer
using it to using a Google product even if the Google product works better. I have my reasons.

I very much hope you are right that Apple's glory days did not end with the death of Jobs.
Time will tell ...



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Old 09-22-2012, 06:24 PM   #8
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Browsers store cookies only.

Apparently you are not going to admit your above comment was in error

By the way, how much does Google pay you to be a shill ?
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:44 PM   #9
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Link to article http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/21/ios-6-...ticism-hiring/





The above image, captured Thursday evening on an iPhone 4S running iOS 6, shows the world-famous George Washington Bridge mere moments after it collapsed into the Hudson River along with much of the hillside along the coast of New Jersey. Thankfully, this devastating catastrophe took place in a bizarre world that exists only in Apple’s (AAPL) new iOS 6 Maps application.
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:02 PM   #10
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I've been following this pretty closely (I'm an iPhone developer, so I have had early access).

My take on it is the new maps app is really nice. In many ways it's the best GPS product I've ever seen. It is miles ahead of the google maps app it replaced.

It's really fast - so fast you would swear the data is stored on the phone, not being loaded over LTE/3G. And it looks good, everything is easy to read, the colours are spot on, it has the perfect combination of showing all the details you need without information overload. The 3D flyover thing is nice too, for cities where it works.

Unfortunately the data is crap. Until/unless they improve that, this new app is almost as useless as the old one.

As for why they removed google maps... their contract with Google expired. Nobody knows why it didn't get renewed... rumour is both Apple and Google had multiple points of disagreement.

It's a bit of a tempest in a teapot really, there are great third party GPS/mapping apps available and no serious map user ever used the built in google maps app. Now there is a new built in app and we will continue not using it. For casual use, the new one is plenty good enough for most people.

Google will probably release their own app anyway. If they don't, or if it takes a long time, then we should all direct our complaints in that direction.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:22 PM   #11
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Unfortunately the data is crap. Until/unless they improve that, this new app is almost as useless as the old one.

It's a bit of a tempest in a teapot really, there are great third party GPS/mapping apps available and no serious map user ever used the built in google maps app. Now there is a new built in app and we will continue not using it.
I think this sort of nails it. I was sort of upset when I heard the news because I really loved Googles maps. I didn't upgrade my phone but I did upgrade my iPad just to experiment. At first I didn't like it but probably just because it was different. I think that the platform it's built on, vectors, is going to be a huge advantage over Google once they upgrade the data. Google has had a huge head start and they've been mining iPhone users for years so you should expect it.

But, the 3d function is pretty sensational. It's gimmicky in the cities with flyover but it's cool. In many ways it's way cooler than Googles street view. But the 3d view of landscapes is fantastic. It's crazy fast to be able to spin the map at 45 around a point. Imagine trying to do that with a topo? In exploring dirt roads and mountain passes that I've ridden it gave really valuable information as to the grades, hills and valleys. It's sort of incredible really. I think once you play with this and explore (much like Google Earth but far faster and easier) you'll see value in it. Take it for a spin down your favorite road and see what you think.

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Old 09-28-2012, 01:26 PM   #12
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Says a lot about the quality of the new Maps app when the CEO himself has to apologize:

http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/

This isn't a ringing endorsement for TomTom. That's for sure!
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:07 PM   #13
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The google maps app is out (and has been for weeks) for the new IOS and has all the same functionality and then some of the old Apple maps by Google.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:17 PM   #14
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are you sure about that? It's not in iTunes and no mention on macrumors.com.
Google prompts you to add the web map to your homescreen but that's just a link to the web version.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:28 AM   #15
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I'm sure it will sort itself out in a year or two. Maybe this will push apple into buying Garmin.

Lol, this probably is all Steve's fault, still hard to believe he would have let it ship like this.

I'll wait until I actually have it in my hands but the screen shots I've seen are embarrassing.

Honestly I just want google "my maps" on my phone like the android users have had for years now. Maybe google will have mercy on the apple crowd.
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