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Old 09-22-2012, 06:31 PM   #1
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MSF Instructor was an MF'er

I signed up for a beginner MSF course which started today to learn how to ride, and much to my surprise I was so unlucky to receive the MSF instructor from HELL. I was in a class of 8 people. There was an extra person in the class that had not signed up prior to. I think he was a friend of the instructor because he came in late and did not get dismissed as the rules say. The course was not at all as I expected. I have alway been a passenger on bikes and had no riding experience. When I paid for the class, I confirmed that the class was for beginners who had no riding experience and was told that was correct. The first part of the class today was supposed to be class instruction but consisted of the class finding answers to the review questions in the back of the MSF book and watching a few videos. It was not exactly a detailed, informative session as I had expected. After lunch, we went out to get on the bikes. The instructor proceeded to fly through the controls and the process of cranking the bikes. He then had us to briefly practice with the clutch and do the power walk, After doing the power walk a few times, he informed me that he did not feel I was learning the process. I explained that I signed up for a beginner course but was made to feel like I was holding the class up. Instead of patiently working through the process with me, the instructor was a very impatient jerk. I was one of two people in the class that had no riding experience. All the others had riding experience. He was letting the ones with riding experience determine his class. I feel like only BEGINNERS should be allowed in the BEGINNER class. This was a very bad experience for me, but he did not break my spirit of learning to ride. Not sure if I will learn through another MSF course. My tolerance for jerks gets lower as I get older.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:56 PM   #2
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I'll give your lame rant/critique a 2.7

No where near enough colorful language and you failed to call your instructor a "twatwaffle"
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:19 PM   #3
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I'll give your lame rant/critique a 2.7

No where near enough colorful language and you failed to call your instructor a "twatwaffle"
This is not Jm, and you aren't helping.

To the op, keep at it, and if you aren't happy with your experience, raise hell until you get a refund and a decent instructor.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:48 AM   #4
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This is not Jm, and you aren't helping.

To the op, keep at it, and if you aren't happy with your experience, raise hell until you get a refund and a decent instructor.

Depends on what you are getting help with... It was a great lesson in what should be written on the ADVrider forum.

Of course your recommendation is spot on. I'd be bitching (the proper word) too. I'd complain to the DOT license bureau supervisor and even go as far as to at least threaten to go to my state legislator if that supervisor dismissed my complaint without a redo if felt necessary on my part. Be courteous, but be firm.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:13 PM   #5
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Bluhduh not representative

My wife took her BRC in July, and had never been on a running motorcycle. She had a wonderful experience, (except for the triple digit temperature) and left the class with more confidence and desire to ride.

There should be an option to retake the class with another instructor, at a reduced rate, in cases of student/instructor incompatibility.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:21 PM   #6
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What you describe isn't anything like my BRC either. Although I was one of the people in the class with previous experience, there were several people with no experience, and at no time was there any pressure for the beginers to "catch up", and the class was definitely geared toward their pace.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:27 PM   #7
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My .00002 cents

I'll chime in a bit because no one knows how difficult she can be to get along with better than me(Luv ya Hun)! This case was not her fault. She has been excited beyond belief to get her chance to learn to ride, and was very cooperative in gathering equipment, and mentally preparing. As far as name calling she has a long way to go to learn all the good ones, so therefore I will step in and lend a hand. First the instructor was being a major dick, and he is not the first that has been encountered during a BRC. I push my friends to take the course and always try to find out as much as possible about their experience so I can push others to take it. I hear about 25-30% complaining about instructors that are not tolerant of newbs. IT IS A BEGINNERS F'ING COURSE! If you don't like newbs don't teach BRC. I hate teaching anything so I don't. So my summary is as follows: Instructor was a dickhead, and just so you don't feel left out Dakez, YOU SIR ARE A TWATWAFFLE!

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Old 09-22-2012, 07:32 PM   #8
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Call that twatwaffle's supervisor and see if you can retake with someone else.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:32 PM   #9
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And another note

They are granting her a refund which is great. It is very difficult for her to schedule due to her work so hopefully she can find another class before end of season. She wants to ride some during winter and I won't let her touch pavement till BRC is completed! Thanks for everyone's input and keep'em coming. All names from me are good natured!
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:18 PM   #10
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They are granting her a refund which is great. It is very difficult for her to schedule due to her work so hopefully she can find another class before end of season. She wants to ride some during winter and I won't let her touch pavement till BRC is completed! Thanks for everyone's input and keep'em coming. All names from me are good natured!
No reason for you not to work with her and no reason to keep her off of pavement. Even after she passes the BRC she'll need to practice. Just find a open parking lot, some Harley dealers have ranges and I use then by my self and have never been asked to leave.

Start slow, let her dictate how fast you proceed go over controls, then rocking with the friction zone then the dreaded power walk. I'm sure you both remember enough of the BRC to make the next time a lot easier.

I agree the coach sounds like twat waffle and that the class should have more beginners than experienced riders but due to state regs a lot of experienced riders have to go back and take the BRC (BOO).
As a rider coach I have access to the course materials, let PM me if I can help. In my experience most rider coaches just want to share the ride. I'm truly sorry you got a bad one, counseling someone out is the last thing we should do.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:33 PM   #11
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I signed up for a beginner MSF course which started today to learn how to ride, and much to my surprise I was so unlucky to receive the MSF instructor from HELL. ...snip.... The course was not at all as I expected. ...snip... I feel like only BEGINNERS should be allowed in the BEGINNER class. This was a very bad experience for me, but he did not break my spirit of learning to ride. Not sure if I will learn through another MSF course. My tolerance for jerks gets lower as I get older.
It is unfortunate you feel the instructor was not professional with the manner he spoke to you.

As an instructor myself, what you have described is exactly what the MSF Beginning Rider's Course is supposed to be. MSF provides a script and a schedule. If the instructor spent 45 minutes or more before telling you that you were not progressing, then he was most likely properly following MSF guidelines.

You indicated that you paid for this class. If this is a private for-profit school you could try calling them and expressing your expectations and see if they can place you with a different instructor or class. Otherwise you may consider finding someone who can provide one on one instruction.

Good Luck!
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:47 PM   #12
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It is unfortunate you feel the instructor was not professional with the manner he spoke to you.

As an instructor myself, what you have described is exactly what the MSF Beginning Rider's Course is supposed to be. MSF provides a script and a schedule. If the instructor spent 45 minutes or more before telling you that you were not progressing, then he was most likely properly following MSF guidelines.

You indicated that you paid for this class. If this is a private for-profit school you could try calling them and expressing your expectations and see if they can place you with a different instructor or class. Otherwise you may consider finding someone who can provide one on one instruction.

Good Luck!

You sound exactly like about half the MSF instructors I know. All of that half scare the hell out of me to ride with!

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Old 09-23-2012, 07:14 PM   #13
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When I took my MSF class it was a great experience for me. But, truth be told, one of the instructors treated the women different. One woman was there because she wanted to get a scooter. Not even a scooter that needed to be licensed. She was excited to learn to ride and very attentive. But that instructor was far less patient with her than with others. He certainly addressed me differently. In fact, he was pretty ornery to the point that the woman was in tears at one point (not in front of him, thankfully) She failed the practical at the end. Not sure by how much, but couldn't have been much. I watched everybody take their practicals. Some of the gray area scoring didn't seem to go her way. I have no idea if she tried to get her license again - I hope so, but doubt it given her MSF experience.

Another woman was also treated poorly, although she clearly wasn't ready for the road. But she didn't need to be yelled at like a drill sergeant either.

I don't think there's really a solution other than complaining to the management, for whatever that's worth. Some people are just assholes and sometimes you just need to work your way around them.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:26 PM   #14
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Thanks Butters for your input. You are correct. Also, thanks to all others who had positive advice to give me. I have chosen to ignore the ones who had negative things to say to me. My perception is that I had a bad experience and the damage is done. I will be reporting my experience to MSF. They can do with it what they wish. As for me, I am moving on and will get a bike and learn on my own at my pace. I am done with this thread. Enough said.
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:14 PM   #15
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Also, thanks to all others who had positive advice to give me. I have chosen to ignore the ones who had negative things to say to me.
Good. There's nothing to learn from negative comments or those you disagree with.
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