VN1700 and an old HRD Attempt

IsAnOzzie · 11-19-2012, 02:51 AM

I have an 09 Kawasaki VN1700 that I am attempting to fit an old HRD sidecar to, it is a double sidecar so the fit will be a tight squeeze to stay within the 1850mm requirement.

The sidecar and frame have been restored by the previous owner and seem in great shape.

Ron Hurdis made me a double classic that went on a VN1500, great bike that went along with a house and some other stuff.

This will be #5, and the first I will be attaching myself.

As a NSW resident it will be a bolt on job as ANY welding requires an engineers certificate.

So let the fun begin, I am collecting various parts at the moment that I think I will need to start fabrication.

Any advice or comments are most welcome, type slowly so I can take it all in.

Sean

brstar · 11-19-2012, 04:16 AM

davet2 · 11-19-2012, 05:49 AM

What model is the blue sidecar on the 1500? I have seen another one of those on a Harley FLH in this forum somewhere. Thanks, Dave

IsAnOzzie · 11-19-2012, 11:11 AM

It is an Australian built HRD Classic

TouringDave · 11-19-2012, 02:27 PM

Sean, you bastard! Is that the HRD that was on Ebay recently? I was looking at that for the Strom.

Looks like a really good buy. Well done.

IsAnOzzie · 11-20-2012, 01:20 AM

it was out Bathurst way, the guy had pretty much restored both the body and chassis,
when he bought it, it had been advertised as a 1 1/2, when he got it home he realised it was to big for his guzzi.

I was surprised there was not more bidding, he said there were 37 some "lookers"

Anywho It's mine for now, been busy making metal filings all day.

Sean

FR700 · 11-20-2012, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IsAnOzzie

... *snip* ... been busy making metal filings all day.

Sean

That will turn out nice , but this being ADV' an all ... we're gonna need pic's for proof of this metal filings business

What does the track roughly measure out to at the moment ?

.

IsAnOzzie · 11-20-2012, 11:03 AM

I am right at the limit of 1850, but there is some room to move.

top front mount

bare frame tube, as this is so close to the top of the frame I think I can get away without bracing it across to the frame on the other side. ?

lower front under floorboards both sides

top rear

All the shackles are the thick type used for box trailer axles and I am using 2mm pipe sleeve's around the bike frame.

Lower rear mount off main engine mounting through bolt

I think I will also secure the cross brace to the frame making 4 points of support in total, overkill probably but better that than not enough.

FR700 · 11-25-2012, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IsAnOzzie

I am right at the limit of 1850, but there is some room to move.

top front mount

Are you saying the track is 1850 or that is the overall width ?

Like the new mount a lot better.

Looking good.

Have fun.

.

IsAnOzzie · 11-22-2012, 04:05 AM

Found this on youtube, I don't think it is 1850mm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6XS...eature=related

IsAnOzzie · 11-25-2012, 03:55 AM

over all width, edge to edge I am right on 1850, I thought the U clamps would have caused more of a stir?

I will use them for the upper rear mount, not to crazy about that but the way I have in mind should be ok.
There is a very small section of frame where there is no room to move, 4 bolt style clamps would be to bulky to fit so I will weld some 1/2 sleeve tubing to the U clamp to prevent any slippage and spread the load a little.
I found a suitably qualified engineer here on the central coast which is handy for certification, just waiting on some more parts to arrive for the 1" nominal heavy tube, (tube adapters, kind of threaded slug you weld in the end of the tube) which will hold the threaded rod/clevis.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/280884667...84.m1439.l2649

sean

FR700 · 11-25-2012, 04:25 AM

Interesting , looking at the pic's I would have guessed more than that. My electra glide comes in at 1750 with a 48" track and I find that to be a bit wide in town.

Met a bloke years ago in Kyogle who had a djp mounted to an R75 bm' with exhaust clamps ... he seemed happy enough

.

IsAnOzzie · 11-28-2012, 12:32 AM

The postman delivered some tube adapters today, threaded slugs that fit inside tubing allowing for adjustment.

I had a local shop bend some 1" nominal heavy tube for me. I just need to attach the top bracket and cut to fit leaving room for a clevis.

The clevis's or clevii should arrive this week then I can do a final mock up and test ride I hope.

Does anyone have advice on hydraulic handbrake systems? I have a disc on the sidecar wheel, thought I could use it for a handbrake (as required here in NSW)
sean

roscoau · 11-28-2012, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IsAnOzzie

Does anyone have advice on hydraulic handbrake systems? I have a disc on the sidecar wheel, thought I could use it for a handbrake (as required here in NSW)
sean

I couldn't swear to it but I seem to recall reading somewhere the parking brake had to be mechanical?

tripodtiger · 11-29-2012, 05:17 PM

I have a mechanical lock for my hydraulic sidecar brake. No dramas.

11-19-2012, 02:51 AM	#1
IsAnOzzie ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 260	VN1700 and an old HRD Attempt I have an 09 Kawasaki VN1700 that I am attempting to fit an old HRD sidecar to, it is a double sidecar so the fit will be a tight squeeze to stay within the 1850mm requirement. The sidecar and frame have been restored by the previous owner and seem in great shape. Ron Hurdis made me a double classic that went on a VN1500, great bike that went along with a house and some other stuff. This will be #5, and the first I will be attaching myself. As a NSW resident it will be a bolt on job as ANY welding requires an engineers certificate. So let the fun begin, I am collecting various parts at the moment that I think I will need to start fabrication. Any advice or comments are most welcome, type slowly so I can take it all in. Sean __________________ The Extinguished gentleman. Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda IsAnOzzie screwed with this post 11-19-2012 at 03:54 AM

11-19-2012, 04:16 AM	#2
brstar Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2007 Location: Perth Western Australia Oddometer: 394	__________________ http://brstar.smugmug.com/Sidecarmou...15235946_vHUqM

11-19-2012, 11:11 AM	#4
IsAnOzzie ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 260	It is an Australian built HRD Classic __________________ The Extinguished gentleman. Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda

11-20-2012, 01:20 AM	#6
IsAnOzzie ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 260	it was out Bathurst way, the guy had pretty much restored both the body and chassis, when he bought it, it had been advertised as a 1 1/2, when he got it home he realised it was to big for his guzzi. I was surprised there was not more bidding, he said there were 37 some "lookers" Anywho It's mine for now, been busy making metal filings all day. Sean __________________ The Extinguished gentleman. Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda

11-20-2012, 11:03 AM	#8
IsAnOzzie ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 260	I am right at the limit of 1850, but there is some room to move. top front mount bare frame tube, as this is so close to the top of the frame I think I can get away without bracing it across to the frame on the other side. ? lower front under floorboards both sides top rear All the shackles are the thick type used for box trailer axles and I am using 2mm pipe sleeve's around the bike frame. Lower rear mount off main engine mounting through bolt I think I will also secure the cross brace to the frame making 4 points of support in total, overkill probably but better that than not enough. __________________ The Extinguished gentleman. Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda IsAnOzzie screwed with this post 11-21-2012 at 10:28 PM Reason: replaced pictures

11-19-2012, 05:49 AM	#3
davet2 Adventurer Joined: May 2010 Location: Rochester, MI Oddometer: 88	What model is the blue sidecar on the 1500? I have seen another one of those on a Harley FLH in this forum somewhere. Thanks, Dave

11-19-2012, 02:27 PM	#5
TouringDave Ok Human Let's Ride! Joined: May 2005 Location: Frankston, Vic, Aust. Oddometer: 6,392	Sean, you bastard! Is that the HRD that was on Ebay recently? I was looking at that for the Strom. Looks like a really good buy. Well done. __________________ K7 Strom with Chair 84 Kwaka GT750 Cafe Project 84 Kawaka GT750 Outfit Project

11-22-2012, 04:05 AM	#10
IsAnOzzie ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 260	Found this on youtube, I don't think it is 1850mm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6XS...eature=related __________________ The Extinguished gentleman. Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda

11-25-2012, 03:55 AM	#11
IsAnOzzie ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 260	over all width, edge to edge I am right on 1850, I thought the U clamps would have caused more of a stir? I will use them for the upper rear mount, not to crazy about that but the way I have in mind should be ok. There is a very small section of frame where there is no room to move, 4 bolt style clamps would be to bulky to fit so I will weld some 1/2 sleeve tubing to the U clamp to prevent any slippage and spread the load a little. I found a suitably qualified engineer here on the central coast which is handy for certification, just waiting on some more parts to arrive for the 1" nominal heavy tube, (tube adapters, kind of threaded slug you weld in the end of the tube) which will hold the threaded rod/clevis. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/280884667...84.m1439.l2649 sean __________________ The Extinguished gentleman. Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda

11-25-2012, 04:25 AM	#12
FR700 Heckler™©® Joined: May 2007 Oddometer: 3,459	Interesting , looking at the pic's I would have guessed more than that. My electra glide comes in at 1750 with a 48" track and I find that to be a bit wide in town. Met a bloke years ago in Kyogle who had a djp mounted to an R75 bm' with exhaust clamps ... he seemed happy enough . __________________ I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe .

11-28-2012, 12:32 AM	#13
IsAnOzzie ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 260	The postman delivered some tube adapters today, threaded slugs that fit inside tubing allowing for adjustment. I had a local shop bend some 1" nominal heavy tube for me. I just need to attach the top bracket and cut to fit leaving room for a clevis. The clevis's or clevii should arrive this week then I can do a final mock up and test ride I hope. Does anyone have advice on hydraulic handbrake systems? I have a disc on the sidecar wheel, thought I could use it for a handbrake (as required here in NSW) sean __________________ The Extinguished gentleman. Do or do not. There is no try. Yoda

11-29-2012, 05:17 PM	#15
tripodtiger I used to be SCRay Joined: Feb 2006 Location: you dont call wagga wagga wagga Oddometer: 3,900	I have a mechanical lock for my hydraulic sidecar brake. No dramas. __________________ rayb I taught Wall St how to crash Australian RD/RZ Owners Register http://tripodtiger.smugmug.com/

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