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Old 11-28-2012, 11:31 AM   #1
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Seen this at the NEC show, Birmingham, today and wondered if any one has got one. They are not cheap!










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Old 11-28-2012, 11:49 AM   #2
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It really is a perfect match for a serious 12GS. I would hope that it does not end up in the hands of some poseur.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:51 AM   #3
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It really is a perfect match for a serious 12GS. I would hope that it does not end up in the hands of some poseur.
Drone, at £11.5K it probably will.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:53 PM   #4
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I would hope that it does not end up in the hands of some poseur.

He's talking about me.

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Old 11-28-2012, 01:37 PM   #5
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I bet Claude could make one just as nice for less money!!
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:40 PM   #6
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Seen this at the NEC show, Birmingham, today and wondered if any one has got one. They are not cheap!


Thanks for sharing. Enfield ( ? ) in the back ground with the chair looks interesting.



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It really is a perfect match for a serious 12GS. I would hope that it does not end up in the hands of some poseur.

50+ inches of track , hardly any lead , massive front overhang ... it already screams poseur. A well fabricated one but not what I'd want off the beaten track.



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Old 11-28-2012, 02:54 PM   #7
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Thanks for sharing. Enfield ( ? ) in the back ground with the chair looks interesting.






50+ inches of track , hardly any lead , massive front overhang ... it already screams poseur. A well fabricated one but not what I'd want off the beaten track.



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Old 11-29-2012, 04:44 PM   #8
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The frontal length, approach angle thing is an issue, IMHO. That's why I had a new body designed / built for mine.

If they've got the geometry correct, it's correct.

I can't see why you'd leave the bike tyre on the bike & have a wider tyre on the sidecar. I'd be inclined to switch the tyres over.

The suspension looks trick. Is it complicated for engineering appearance. Maybe they figured that the Paralever / whatever-lever setup on the BM deserved something that looks trick. Maybe they couldn't get the performance they wanted with it inside the wheel diameter, or maybe they just did that so it was easy access to the spring/damper for adjustments. How about changing the shocker for one of those ESA jobbies that BMW use these days?

I love the looks. You dont' get appearance nor performance cheap.

Question is, are you getting both for your money?
The answer will be different for every owner, or potential owner.

At least they've made a righty & a lefty
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:12 PM   #9
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The frontal length, approach angle thing is an issue, IMHO. That's why I had a new body designed / built for mine.

If they've got the geometry correct, it's correct.

Approach angle , front bike wheel dropping into a hole/rut and that tub will kiss the deck. Axle lead on road as you said doesn't matter if it works. Off road with that long low front overhang ...


Close to twelve thousand £ for the chair alone ... I'd want to be able to sleep in it and have it fetch me a sandwich and beer



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Old 11-28-2012, 04:52 PM   #10
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With that full width swinging axle, the seat would need to be raised six to eight inches to have had it over axle for more lead.
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The suspension design adds nothing , like you said , a swing arm anchored inboard running transverse and controlled via adjustable radius arms. Whoop-dee-do , the thing goes up and down.



Claude's efforts would wipe it off the map in comparison for a fraction of the cost.



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Old 11-29-2012, 01:00 AM   #12
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With Harris Engineering, Watsonian-Squire and Mobec all involved in the project, it might pay to wait a bit before knocking the design.

http://www.sidecar-news.de/newscombi...ock/index.html
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With Harris Engineering, Watsonian-Squire and Mobec all involved in the project, it might pay to wait a bit before knocking the design.


Pops design I was impressed with. Norton's Big 4 , clean, simple , elegant.

The so called big names you mention ... not so much. Another you-an my-grammar , charlie booringman wank in the making. The tech , for those that like that kind of thing , yeah , OK , but I'd think in the technical off road stuff a stock 2WD ural would embarrass it.










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Old 11-29-2012, 07:26 AM   #14
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I like it. Looks great. The integrated headlights are kind of cool. The frame looks pretty lightweight. 4130 maybe.

Oh well...doesn't hurt to ask? BRB.
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