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Old 12-01-2012, 09:10 AM   #1
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Vetter streamliner body kit

Craig Vetter is calling for a show of hands of interest for his streamlined motorcycle body work kit which is now in the final stages of pre production.
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http://craigvetter.com/pages/2012-St...r-p61-kit.html
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Several years of real world testing have proven 100 mpgUS at 70 mph on a first gen Ninja250 which can be purchased used for $1000. Better cams for the Ninja or a more efficient bike like a CBR250R or 125R could do considerably better on fuel. Streamlining will make an electric bike go much farther also.
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Warm, dry, steady and quiet in buffeting winds. And locking storage for 100+ liters of gear or groceries. Use the full tail for the best aerodynamics or truncate the shape behind the rear wheel for easier parking in the garage.
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Every commuter or world traveler that is fit enough to ride needs one of these to help save our remaining resources.
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Build a Vetter streamliner and help spread the word.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:34 AM   #2
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Building something along those lines has always been a back-of-the-mind project for me. Looks kinda goofy but it would be the ultimate commuter bike. I would be interested but unfortunately I wouldn't be in a position to purchase one for at least a couple of years. Still, I really like the idea and I've always been a fan of Vetter's work to improve the aerodynamic efficiency of motorcycles. In about 2-3 years once I am finally done with my education and have (hopefully) a solid job, I'd be all over that kit for a CBR250.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:07 PM   #3
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Interesting. I had been thinking of the design for making a more efficient Honda Helix. When I started digging into hypermiling motorcycles, no surprise--there was Craig Vetter with that design on a Helix.

I'm probably out since my riding isn't suited to the benefits of that fairing. My commute is 10 miles with 55 MPH speeds between stop lights. If I did commute by motorcycle, all the benefits of the streamlining are lost by repeatedly accelerating the extra mass from each stop.

I have to question how many he can sell if it's a generic body kit without model-specific mounts or wheel cutouts. I could adapt or fabricate just about anything but, not everybody has that ability. Installing a Windjammer (with the kit) was sometimes beyond the skills of the average owner.

The Windjammer went somewhere because a bazillion people had the CB750 and he made a mount for it. That made the Z1, Gold Wing, BMW and Guzzi mounts possible. At VERY least, he would need a kit to fit all the Helix scooters out there...or one (or more) of the other mondo-scooters. There HAS to be a specific model for this kit or it just won't fly.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:01 AM   #4
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I have to question how many he can sell if it's a generic body kit without model-specific mounts or wheel cutouts. I could adapt or fabricate just about anything but, not everybody has that ability. Installing a Windjammer (with the kit) was sometimes beyond the skills of the average owner.

The Windjammer went somewhere because a bazillion people had the CB750 and he made a mount for it. That made the Z1, Gold Wing, BMW and Guzzi mounts possible. At VERY least, he would need a kit to fit all the Helix scooters out there...or one (or more) of the other mondo-scooters. There HAS to be a specific model for this kit or it just won't fly.
Well, it has also been applied to a 250 Ninja. So it doesn't HAVE to be model or make specific. That was the point in making it adaptable
to other bikes. I intend to get a kit (or 2) for one (or 2) of my Honda Reflex scooters. And you are right to a certain degree that it will take
more than just "bolt on" skills to mount it. But I think the thing that may stifle sales is the initial price he has tentatively proposed. In a
letter to him (not yet sent because I'm still working on it) I point this out. And the fact that the "kit" will cost as much or more than what
I already paid for some of my scooters. (granted, I got them off of ebay, but still, several $$$ for sure) Recouping that cost on fuel savings
would take a VERY long time. (if ever) But it would represent ownership in a piece of motorcycling history and may prove (in time) of value
to some collectors. (maybe) That could be if it turns out to be somewhat of a limited production run. (likely IMO) Large scale production
runs with simpler "bolt on" ability to several kinds of bikes would probably have wider appeal, much like the Windjammer. but I don't think
that is what he has in mind. He has stated on the website that he has taken the design as far as he is going to. Still, it is so different than
anything else out there, a real head turner. I'm in.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:15 AM   #5
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Well, it has also been applied to a 250 Ninja. So it doesn't HAVE to be model or make specific. That was the point in making it adaptable to other bikes.
The issue surrounds the height of the front end. If it was fitted to a Ninja 250 or any other traditional motorcycle frame, something HAD to be modified in the nose of the bodywork. I don't think normal size motorcycle wheels and forks will fit under that nose (as it's shown). The profile seems too sloped and the larger the wheel diameter, the more material has to be cut away to allow the wheel to swing in there. That's what leads me to believe fitting it to a regular motorcycle will be harder than a scooter.

I'm with you on all points: initial cost, future collectibility, exclusivity, etc. I'm a big fan of Craig Vetter and all that he's done in motorcycling over the years. It would be cool. I have to admit that this very streamliner had me fantasizing about a similar build just a few short months ago. It just doesn't fit my current riding lifestyle and would take up too much room in my dwindling storage space.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:40 AM   #6
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If it was fitted to a Ninja 250 .
All of the current design work was done on a Ninja250 because used bikes are so plentiful and cheap. Only afterwards did Vetter fit these final parts onto his scooter. Read all about at the link. He has basically written a book, documenting the entire process at craigvetter.com.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:26 PM   #7
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All of the current design work was done on a Ninja250 because used bikes are so plentiful and cheap. Only afterwards did Vetter fit these final parts onto his scooter. Read all about at the link. He has basically written a book, documenting the entire process at craigvetter.com.
Just so we'll have the proper chronology on the "Last Vetter Fairing" , start reading about it here:
http://www.craigvetter.com/pages/470...20Fairing.html

Actually, of the 61 chapters so far, (as of December 1, 2012) Alan Smith (owner of the Ninja) wasn't even mentioned until
chapter 39. And at that time he was using a Honda CRF230. The Ninja project, designated as "Streamlining a Ninja" which
is the application of "Kit #1" doesn't begin until chapter 44. So the bulk of the design work was done first around the Honda
Helix then was later applied to the Ninja, not the other way around. And for the last few chapters, the "design" work was
being done on both the Helix and the Ninja concurrently.

Just curious, but does anybody else have it seriously mind to do this to their bike? (scooter or motorcycle)
Myself, I can't wait.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:32 PM   #8
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Well, as I kind of suspected, what Vetter will be selling is not really a complete kit. What we have available so far is the two halves of the nose. I sent off money for the set. I do wish he had something of the steering turret to sell though. That will be the trickiest part to fabricate on my own but will be doable with diligence. It would be nice if that part is ready for sale when I need it. The nose would have been tedious to do on my own, so I'm glad I won't have to go through that. Bunches of stuff to do on my Honda Reflex in preparation of mounting a fairing. But I pretty much have an idea of what I want to do there, so that should go rather quickly.

I do have a completion goal. I intend to do like I did when building an ultralight aircraft and had the goal of having it done in time for an airshow. I made that goal in part by doing at least a little something to it every day that I could. (It was a mad rush near the end though) It seems a lot of little steps WILL get you where you want to go. And I want to go to the AMA Vintage Motorcycle Days in Ohio this coming July 19, 20, 21 riding a streamlined Reflex.

Even after getting parts and supplies for the project, I figure it will still take several months to "get r' done" and I have a couple friends that will keep me motivated and moving on the project. (maybe I should remind them again to keep after me ) But I will document the process even if it just comes in dribs and drabs. So get the popcorn ready.... the show is about to begin!
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:56 AM   #9
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And I want to go to the AMA Vintage Motorcycle Days in Ohio this coming July 19, 20, 21 riding a streamlined Reflex.
Mid Ohio is a BLAST!
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:41 AM   #10
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Kinda' reminds me of the Jacwal Superwedge:
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/20...wedge-fairing/



Bates also had competition for the ubiquitous Windjammer.

Craig Vetter has had some winners over the years...and some not quite so much. I wish I could find a picture of the fugly thing he came up with for Harleys. It was a gold-painted, giant fiberglass fairing for the dressers that was done up as eagle feathers. It had a motorized windscreen and deflectors built into it. If I found one, I'd buy it just because I think I'd have the only one still in existence.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:14 AM   #11
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Kinda' reminds me of the Jacwal Superwedge:





I wish I could find a picture of the fugly thing he came up with for Harleys. It was a gold-painted, giant fiberglass fairing for the dressers that was done up as eagle feathers. It had a motorized windscreen and deflectors built into it. I
I remember seeing the Superwedge and hearing people run it down as ugly. But , I thought , It's not there for pretty , it's there to help part the air and looks to do a good job of that.

And I remember reading what Craig said of the feathered fairing with the movable sections.
"I just wanted to build a fairing that flared." I took it to be his jab at the mouth breathers through the years that called fairings -flarings.
Good luck finding one, it's doubtful many were sold.
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The FLAIRING! That's it!

Can't find a damn thing on the entire internet. He registered the trademark but, nothing else out there. As you wrote: must not have sold many.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:27 AM   #13
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The FLAIRING! That's it!

Can't find a damn thing on the entire internet. He registered the trademark but, nothing else out there. As you wrote: must not have sold many.
Is this it?



I remember it 'cause he remarked that he was inspired by the "wings" worn by aircrew.
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