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Old 01-03-2013, 06:29 AM   #1
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Textile jackey made in the USA??

As part of my New Years Resolution to avoid things made in labor camps (China), I am shopping for a textile "adv style" jacket
Any ideas??
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:31 AM   #2
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http://www.aerostich.com/jackets-pan...le-jacket.html

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Old 01-03-2013, 09:45 AM   #3
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:20 PM   #4
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Much of it is not.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:36 PM   #5
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Much of it is not.

Info indicating it is not U.S.A. made.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:42 AM   #6
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The absence of info indicating it is.
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:16 PM   #7
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Most Aerostich stuff.

You don't get any more ADV-ish than that.
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:40 PM   #8
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Is there any American manufactured adventure motorcycle wear that doesn't look like Pillsbury Dough Boy? How about some European makers ($$$$), or do you object to Hungarian or Czech slave labor too?

Better check on the American made label too, I wonder where the materials to make those suits and zippers come from.....maybe another evil empire.

P.S. CheesyMan: I hear the Chinese may boycott Wisconsin cheese because the cows are unhappy it works both ways.

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Old 01-05-2013, 09:41 AM   #9
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Is there any American manufactured adventure motorcycle wear that doesn't look like Pillsbury Dough Boy?
Short answer: no.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:19 PM   #10
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Sorry did'nt mean to insult anyone.
I do believe that due to the low, low. low pay (like 2 bucks a week), long hrs (15 hr days) and lack of safety or pollution cntrols that I would avoid things "Made in China". madison Ave will tell you its all good-but we kn w who pays them, don't we
Is my resolution perfect?? No but it's a grass roots start
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:30 PM   #11
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Sorry did'nt mean to insult anyone.
I do believe that due to the low, low. low pay (like 2 bucks a week), long hrs (15 hr days) and lack of safety or pollution cntrols that I would avoid things "Made in China". madison Ave will tell you its all good-but we kn w who pays them, don't we
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Sorry, first of all, WAAAAAAY off topic here... look away now.... go with Aerostitch, fantastic stuff built for the ages

Ah...... depending on province, but let's pick Guangdong where Shenzhen and Guangzhou is where probably 80% of the textile stuff are made.... their minimum wage has gone up 20% year on year for the last 4 years.

Last I checked it's roughly 3500 RMB/560USD a month (70 times the 2 bucks a week example), working 8.5 hours a day before OT.

The days of the locked up workers are long gone (gone in the 2000s), these days the workers will bring the fire marshal down your ass if they feel the least bit unsafe (or used as a salary bargaining tool, I kid you not). But the days where factory owners killed themselves because they had a dream of manufacturing things (poorly or not) for a living was crushed when their entire shipment went overseas and got "back claimed" because not of shoddy workmanship but poor sales. You never hear people complain in the 80s about poor quality because things flew off the shelves and made the corporate brands rich. But when the economy tanks or the brands actually see an opportunity to MAKE MONEY FROM the factories (oh, sorry this barcode is put 1cm more to the left, it still scans but we're gonna charge you 50USD "labour" anyway on this box of shirts you're selling for 10USD), you get corporations mercilessly shifting all liabilities and risks to the factories. What kind of business can you go into without any risks? Go into garments; if they don't sell at Walmart, you got 120 days to NOT PAY the factories; just say a button was off color and you're scot free. To hell with the workers if the factory owner bankrupts themselves and gets persecuted by the local authorities and lynched as a "heartless factory owner" when they can't pay their bills cause you screwed up on your own marketing and sales forecast?

If you ask anyone in China what they want to do in order to make money, 15 years ago they'd tell you to open a factory to supply the life style of the west. Now they'll tell you to go into real estate to give everyone one of the billion people a home with their Japanese brand TV and German brand cars and American brand.... clothing?

It's a good thing; I've read about how companies are finally moving some stuff like pillow manufacturing back to the UK for example (or Apple with the MacBooks, though not sure how much of that ISN'T a political gesture).
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Sorry, first of all, WAAAAAAY off topic here... look away now.... go with Aerostitch, fantastic stuff built for the ages

Ah...... depending on province, but let's pick Guangdong where Shenzhen and Guangzhou is where probably 80% of the textile stuff are made.... their minimum wage has gone up 20% year on year for the last 4 years.

Last I checked it's roughly 3500 RMB/560USD a month (70 times the 2 bucks a week example), working 8.5 hours a day before OT.

The days of the locked up workers are long gone (gone in the 2000s), these days the workers will bring the fire marshal down your ass if they feel the least bit unsafe (or used as a salary bargaining tool, I kid you not). ).


China has indicated that it will stop handing down sentences to its controversial labor camps, which allow detention without trial for up to four years. According to Chinese media, some 160,000 prisoners were held in "re-education centers" at the end of 2008.

He became an outspoken critic of labor camps after spending 15 months in one. He was sent there by police, at the age of 24, without trial or even seeing a lawyer. His crime? Criticizing the local government in Chongqing by retweeting or forwarding 100 messages containing "negative information."

film about one labor camp shows blue-suited inmates bent over their work making electrical wiring. The inmates make computer cables and headphones for MP3 players.
Ren says he worked for about 10 hours a day, during which he was not allowed to speak to fellow inmates. He seldom had a day off.

The authoritative Xinhua news agency had this to say: "No further information on the reform was available for now."

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/07/168808...rs-few-details

I think a few of these people called the fire marshal, but since they were in prison without trial, without ever seeing a lawyer, and busy making products for sale on the open market, their calls weren't taken.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:28 PM   #13
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China has indicated that it will stop handing down sentences to its controversial labor camps, which allow detention without trial for up to four years. According to Chinese media, some 160,000 prisoners were held in "re-education centers" at the end of 2008.

He became an outspoken critic of labor camps after spending 15 months in one. He was sent there by police, at the age of 24, without trial or even seeing a lawyer. His crime? Criticizing the local government in Chongqing by retweeting or forwarding 100 messages containing "negative information."

film about one labor camp shows blue-suited inmates bent over their work making electrical wiring. The inmates make computer cables and headphones for MP3 players.
Ren says he worked for about 10 hours a day, during which he was not allowed to speak to fellow inmates. He seldom had a day off.

The authoritative Xinhua news agency had this to say: "No further information on the reform was available for now."

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/07/168808...rs-few-details

I think a few of these people called the fire marshal, but since they were in prison without trial, without ever seeing a lawyer, and busy making products for sale on the open market, their calls weren't taken.
Well I’m not saying that doesn’t happen, all I can say is from personal experience from living in Jiangsu province for two years is that I’ve seen people singing hymns in churches and no prison camps (I drove by a prison once located near a tea farm without knowing and asked one of my managers if that’s a resort….).

Then again they are probably hidden away up north or west so I’m not saying they don’t exist. But I've seen workers threaten to make bogus reports to fire marshals unless business owners paid some extra "bonus". Usually it happens when a factory looks for new workers after every Chinese new years in the big tier 1 cities and a group of migrant workers from the same village out west signs up together as a production line. Then they’ve got “bargaining power” when they can rally all their same-village friends to go on strike or beat the owners or burn their buildings down.

I’ve known competitors who at the cheering on of Walmart and other big chain customers invested in opening up new town-sized factories in the late 2007s; “build it and we will place zillions of pairs of jeans orders with you. Contract? Nah you don’t need contract, we’re a Fortune 500 company! We’re North American, you can trust our business ethics! Risks? Well, that’s part of your job to take our risks!”. Then in 2008 Walmart and other guys go “ops” and walk away, the workers demand pay, the local government who welcomed their investment in the beginning now threaten to jail them to set a public example, the bankers obviously want their umbrellas back now that it’s raining and the guy’s family goes from owning 6 high end cars and real estate in Hong Kong to bankrupt over the course of a few weeks (and I can't imagine being that second generation guy who ended a 40 year old family business that way). And the guy who jumped off a building after his toy factory unwittingly bought paint from a fraudulent lead laced paint from a guy who was supposed to be his friend? Not saying that they didn’t’ have their day in the sun when business was good but don’t think for a second that people running those factories don’t take on risks with running any kind of businesses. Usually they suffer worse fates (if they’re caught) than most North American executives (even if they’re caught) when they commit crimes.

Anyway, the world exists in shades of grey, good stuff happens with bad people and bad stuff happens with good people globally. Before they develop the mental faculties to evaluate situations on its own merit, children view things as black and white and if one apple is bad then all apples are bad. Just hope there’s more adults in the world that’s all.

And ok, this is waaaay off topic, I'm not going to respond anymore; feel free to have your own beliefs and I'll stick with my own that prison camps exists and people trying their best to make a living also exists.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:57 PM   #14
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Sorry did'nt mean to insult anyone.
I do believe that due to the low, low. low pay (like 2 bucks a week), long hrs (15 hr days) and lack of safety or pollution cntrols that I would avoid things "Made in China". madison Ave will tell you its all good-but we kn w who pays them, don't we
Is my resolution perfect?? No but it's a grass roots start
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No need to apologize....communist are communist.Those poor folks who do work in those shops don't have much choice since their Gov. is communist. The U.S. use to have similiar working conditions not so long ago!....hopefully things will change for them(Non- Communist Gov.).Buy U.S.A. as much as you can....it feeds OUR comrades.People need to get back to U.S.A. first,then "worry" about other peoples......a strong U.S.A. is able to help other's,not the other way around.Never give into Liberalism....it is the path that leads to shops those poor folks have to work in.. Try lookin at Motoport perhaps.Also,I wonder how much cheese the Chinese really import?.
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No need to apologize....communist are communist.Those poor folks who do work in those shops don't have much choice since their Gov. is communist. The U.S. use to have similiar working conditions not so long ago!....hopefully things will change for them(Non- Communist Gov.).Buy U.S.A. as much as you can....it feeds OUR comrades.People need to get back to U.S.A. first,then "worry" about other peoples......a strong U.S.A. is able to help other's,not the other way around.Never give into Liberalism....it is the path that leads to shops those poor folks have to work in.. Try lookin at Motoport perhaps.Also,I wonder how much cheese the Chinese really import?.
Screw the Chinese. They can buy cheese elsewhere. I expect most of that Wisconsin cheese is being subsidized by the US Dept. Of Agriculture anyway.
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