Classic bonehead move...with bad results

Cyath · 01-19-2013, 01:35 PM

I'm a moron, and I need help in undoing my mistake.
Let me bring you up to speed.
2010 990 Adventure with 16K trouble-free miles. Then last night, leaving from work, it wouldn't start. Cranks but wouldn't catch ignition. Ran the battery down trying to fire it up. Trailered it home.
Just got my CJ Designs fuel pump rebuild kit 2 days ago, so while the battery was being re-charged overnight, rebuilt and changed out all the fuel filters, which by the looks of it, it needed.

Here's where I fucked up. Anxious to see if it would fire up, I just slid the batt in with the poles reversed and of course when I tried to fire it up, the whole console was dead. No lights, nothing. Less than 30 seconds before I realized my mistake, but it was too late. I'm sure I fried something, but I can't find it.

Reinstalled the battery correctly, nothing. No lights, console dead. All the fuses in the storage box are intact.
The 30A, 40A and 25A fuses the down on the right hand side of the bike are all intact.
Are there any other fuses I'm missing?
Called my local dealer and they said to check the Starter Solenoid. I'm still searching through the forum and microfiche to find out where the hell it is.
Any other ideas?
Thanks

Cyath · 01-19-2013, 02:00 PM

Okay, found this http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...60&postcount=7 post which was very helpful. Turns out that there are two 30A fuses under the starter relay cover, one of which is nicely hidden on the back side of the cluster and I just barely saw the hint of green as I wedged my head in there. You cant reach it with your fingers, need a needle-nose plier to get it. Sure enough, that fuse was blown. Of course there's plenty of other spare fuses on the bike, but no 30's.

Cyath · 01-19-2013, 04:12 PM

Bummer update.
New 30A fuse. Bike cranks again, but doesn't fire up.
Fuel pump installed with CJ filters and O-ring kit.
Gonna pull the plugs to make sure they're getting juice.
Any ideas?
I'd appreciate any help.

Cyath · 01-19-2013, 04:35 PM

Nope. The plugs don't spark.
Now to chase that down. Back to the HOW.

ciedema · 01-19-2013, 04:45 PM

I wonder if the problem actually existed before the blowing of the fuses etc, ie when you cranked it flat in the first place.

Cyath · 01-19-2013, 04:51 PM

Yes, I think you're right. Never a problem starting before (other than with the known Shorai cold weather starting issues), but it now has a fully charged Yuasa.
The lost spark issue is probably what left me stranded and I went for the fuel pump since that seemed to be the most common issue in similar threads.

catalina38 · 01-19-2013, 04:59 PM

Is it flashing an FI code? All wires plugged back together behind tank? Fuel line reconnected properly? Those seem to the most common and most likely.

Cyath · 01-19-2013, 05:15 PM

All good ideas catalina83.
No FI code, and everything is back and plugged in again, rechecked.
At least an FI code would give me a starting point.

unaweep · 02-14-2013, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyath

All good ideas catalina83.
No FI code, and everything is back and plugged in again, rechecked.
At least an FI code would give me a starting point.

I hate to admit this, but I once hooked up the low fuel connection to the fuel pump and vice versa. I know- it's color coded so a monkey can figure it out.

Shit! Now that I got to the end, I want to delete this post.

But I won't. It may help somebody as dumb as me someday.

FakeName · 02-14-2013, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unaweep

Shit! Now that I got to the end, I want to delete this post.

But I won't. It may help somebody as dumb as me someday.

I shall not cast the first stone.

But I won't admit anything, either ; )

DuctTape · 01-19-2013, 05:27 PM

Kickstand switch?

Cyath · 01-19-2013, 06:08 PM

Wouldn't the kickstand switch prevent the bike from cranking at all?
The starter cranks the engine, but I've confirmed that the plugs aren't getting a spark.

Gerg · 01-19-2013, 06:20 PM

Bonehead

Hiya Mike

No frickin idea what you need to do (cept maybe time for a beer).

Gerg

Wantajustride · 01-19-2013, 06:42 PM

Cyath

I aint no mechanic,,
Could it be the electronic ignition coil (stick coil for the 990?) to the spark plug? Maybe the connector to the stick coil has come loose? You have no spark to either cylinder? I suppose there would be 2 of them since it's a twin. Odds that both went bad at the same time would be very remote I'd think.
I have no idea how you'd check them to see if they were damaged on the reversed battery polarity

I'm not sure about the 990, but when I was pulling the spark plug on my 690 I removed the 2 wires from the ignition coil to make it easier to get the plug wire off. I could see how those wires/spade connectors could work their way loose. I know if my 690 won't start some day that would be one of the first things I'd check.

Hope you get it sorted.

WJR

Dogtown · 01-19-2013, 06:57 PM

You can hear the fuel pump pre-start noise? I know you said no spark but just curiouse...

I think it will crank with the kickstand switch....Kick stand switch cuts the spark not the power to the starter..

I did this for about an hour once.....I found that I had my on / off toggle off.... duhh!

01-19-2013, 01:35 PM	#1
Cyath ^OP Impetulant Ignoramus Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Northern Cal Oddometer: 427	Classic bonehead move...with bad results I'm a moron, and I need help in undoing my mistake. Let me bring you up to speed. 2010 990 Adventure with 16K trouble-free miles. Then last night, leaving from work, it wouldn't start. Cranks but wouldn't catch ignition. Ran the battery down trying to fire it up. Trailered it home. Just got my CJ Designs fuel pump rebuild kit 2 days ago, so while the battery was being re-charged overnight, rebuilt and changed out all the fuel filters, which by the looks of it, it needed. Here's where I fucked up. Anxious to see if it would fire up, I just slid the batt in with the poles reversed and of course when I tried to fire it up, the whole console was dead. No lights, nothing. Less than 30 seconds before I realized my mistake, but it was too late. I'm sure I fried something, but I can't find it. Reinstalled the battery correctly, nothing. No lights, console dead. All the fuses in the storage box are intact. The 30A, 40A and 25A fuses the down on the right hand side of the bike are all intact. Are there any other fuses I'm missing? Called my local dealer and they said to check the Starter Solenoid. I'm still searching through the forum and microfiche to find out where the hell it is. Any other ideas? Thanks __________________ "You think I can remember what you posted a year ago? I can't remember what kind of beer I drank for breakfast." -SScratch '10 KTM 990 Adventure aka The Spork

01-19-2013, 02:00 PM	#2
Cyath ^OP Impetulant Ignoramus Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Northern Cal Oddometer: 427	Okay, found this http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...60&postcount=7 post which was very helpful. Turns out that there are two 30A fuses under the starter relay cover, one of which is nicely hidden on the back side of the cluster and I just barely saw the hint of green as I wedged my head in there. You cant reach it with your fingers, need a needle-nose plier to get it. Sure enough, that fuse was blown. Of course there's plenty of other spare fuses on the bike, but no 30's. __________________ "You think I can remember what you posted a year ago? I can't remember what kind of beer I drank for breakfast." -SScratch '10 KTM 990 Adventure aka The Spork

01-19-2013, 04:12 PM	#3
Cyath ^OP Impetulant Ignoramus Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Northern Cal Oddometer: 427	Bummer update. New 30A fuse. Bike cranks again, but doesn't fire up. Fuel pump installed with CJ filters and O-ring kit. Gonna pull the plugs to make sure they're getting juice. Any ideas? I'd appreciate any help. __________________ "You think I can remember what you posted a year ago? I can't remember what kind of beer I drank for breakfast." -SScratch '10 KTM 990 Adventure aka The Spork

01-19-2013, 04:35 PM	#4
Cyath ^OP Impetulant Ignoramus Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Northern Cal Oddometer: 427	Nope. The plugs don't spark. Now to chase that down. Back to the HOW. __________________ "You think I can remember what you posted a year ago? I can't remember what kind of beer I drank for breakfast." -SScratch '10 KTM 990 Adventure aka The Spork

01-19-2013, 04:45 PM	#5
ciedema мотоциклист Joined: Oct 2007 Location: On the road! Finally! Oddometer: 959	I wonder if the problem actually existed before the blowing of the fuses etc, ie when you cranked it flat in the first place. __________________ Stories from the Seat Facebook My Photos Cannonball Charity Ride No Four Wheel Drives, No Fixers and No Fricken Whingers Personal Attacks - the last refuge of the intellectually impaired.

01-19-2013, 04:51 PM	#6
Cyath ^OP Impetulant Ignoramus Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Northern Cal Oddometer: 427	Yes, I think you're right. Never a problem starting before (other than with the known Shorai cold weather starting issues), but it now has a fully charged Yuasa. The lost spark issue is probably what left me stranded and I went for the fuel pump since that seemed to be the most common issue in similar threads. __________________ "You think I can remember what you posted a year ago? I can't remember what kind of beer I drank for breakfast." -SScratch '10 KTM 990 Adventure aka The Spork

01-19-2013, 04:59 PM	#7
catalina38 Contrarian Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Stingray bay CA. Oddometer: 1,422	Is it flashing an FI code? All wires plugged back together behind tank? Fuel line reconnected properly? Those seem to the most common and most likely. __________________ Born 10,000 years too late Scientific Wild Ass Guesser:hmmmm

01-19-2013, 05:15 PM	#8
Cyath ^OP Impetulant Ignoramus Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Northern Cal Oddometer: 427	All good ideas catalina83. No FI code, and everything is back and plugged in again, rechecked. At least an FI code would give me a starting point. __________________ "You think I can remember what you posted a year ago? I can't remember what kind of beer I drank for breakfast." -SScratch '10 KTM 990 Adventure aka The Spork

01-19-2013, 05:27 PM	#11
DuctTape Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2011 Location: Kansas Oddometer: 239	Kickstand switch? __________________ 2013 KTM 690 (Thanks FLHRCI Buyer! ) 2011 990 Adventure Dakar (Thank you Honey!) 2010 Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2010 Ducati 1198S

01-19-2013, 06:08 PM	#12
Cyath ^OP Impetulant Ignoramus Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Northern Cal Oddometer: 427	Wouldn't the kickstand switch prevent the bike from cranking at all? The starter cranks the engine, but I've confirmed that the plugs aren't getting a spark. __________________ "You think I can remember what you posted a year ago? I can't remember what kind of beer I drank for breakfast." -SScratch '10 KTM 990 Adventure aka The Spork

01-19-2013, 06:20 PM	#13
Gerg Cupcake Joined: Dec 2001 Location: Left Coast Oddometer: 7,904	Bonehead Hiya Mike No frickin idea what you need to do (cept maybe time for a beer). Gerg __________________ Greg OFFICIAL WARPED BEER MEISTER BOOF 160, AMA, RA, MOA, HOG Live life like you stole it! Your $5 off SMUGMUG Coupon is hESgLtqESqM1Q

01-19-2013, 06:42 PM	#14
Wantajustride Adventurer Joined: Jun 2011 Location: Peyton Colorado Oddometer: 88	Cyath I aint no mechanic,, Could it be the electronic ignition coil (stick coil for the 990?) to the spark plug? Maybe the connector to the stick coil has come loose? You have no spark to either cylinder? I suppose there would be 2 of them since it's a twin. Odds that both went bad at the same time would be very remote I'd think. I have no idea how you'd check them to see if they were damaged on the reversed battery polarity I'm not sure about the 990, but when I was pulling the spark plug on my 690 I removed the 2 wires from the ignition coil to make it easier to get the plug wire off. I could see how those wires/spade connectors could work their way loose. I know if my 690 won't start some day that would be one of the first things I'd check. Hope you get it sorted. WJR __________________ 2012 KTM 690 R 2012 Yamaha Super Tenere 2012 KTM 990R Adventure "Walking thru life to an unknown destination and trying to enjoy the adventure getting there"

01-19-2013, 06:57 PM	#15
Dogtown Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Marin County Oddometer: 397	no start? You can hear the fuel pump pre-start noise? I know you said no spark but just curiouse... I think it will crank with the kickstand switch....Kick stand switch cuts the spark not the power to the starter.. I did this for about an hour once.....I found that I had my on / off toggle off.... duhh! __________________ OH 7 990 Marin County To Cabo!

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