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Old 02-02-2013, 10:06 AM   #1
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SoMD Adventure riders do James Bay/Trans Taiga (planning phase)



So the next big adventure planning has begun....this year its James Bay and the Trans Taiga.

Start point: Maryland
Time frame: 24 August to 08 September (subject to change)
Duration: 2 weeks (16 days)
Total mileage (approx): < 5500 miles door to door (will be updated as we finalize our route)
Accommodations: Probably mostly hotel/lodges with the potential of camping if necessary.
Participants: 4

Actual trip information
Departure date/time: 24 August @0800 hrs
Meeting/departure location: Rest stop on I-95 just North of DC

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1. Blaster11: R1200GSA
2. Dorito: F798GS (Twin)
3. Lakota: F700GS (Twin)
4. keithmckenny: R1200GS
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:07 AM   #2
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Trip cost

Gas: Based on 5200 miles @ $4.25 per gallon average
35 MPG: $631
40 MPG: $553
45 MPG: $491
50 MPG: $442
55 MPG: $401
60 MPG: $368

Lodging: $50.00 average per night
5 nights: $250.00
10 nights:$500.00
15 nights: $750.00

Food: Lets just say $30.00 per day, it may be more or less depending on what you carry and your eating habits.
16 days: $480.00

Trip total cost: (too many combination's but you get the idea)
Total 16 day trip: Gas $553.00 + 15 nights of hotel $750.00 + Food $480.00 = $1783.00

Gas: Need to work details on what will be needed. (how much to carry)
Riding gear (weather): wide swings in temperature and conditions, choose wisely! (I will be bringing my electrics)
Tires: Personal choice but a knobby would probably be a reasonable choice, something like a TKC 80/Heidenau K60
Maintenance: Make sure all your checks and services are up to date, we are talking about a 4000 mile trip.
Credit card/ATM: Call your bank and let them know you will be out of the local area with lots of gas charges (may save you/us some problems)
Spare key (mandatory)
Gas can
First Aid kit (mandatory)
Camera
Maps and/or GPS
Bug spray and/or bug net
Medication: Please bring what you need plus a little extra just in case something happens
Cell phone (?)
Satellite phone (?)
Calling card (?)
Flashlight/headlamp with spare batteries
SPOT satellite tracker (optional), I will have mine.
Sunglasses
Something to clean helmet visor/windscreen
MedJet assist (?)
Tire repair (tools to remove wheel, spoons, patches, plugs, tubes, bead breaker, compressor/CO2 cartridges, etc)

Make your own packing list: http://micapeak.com/checklists/mclist.html
Additional U build it checklists: http://micapeak.com/checklists/
Emergency medical form: http://micapeak.com/tools/medform.html (Mandatory for everyone)
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:17 AM   #3
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Trip cost

Gas: Based on 4000 miles @ $3.50 per gallon average

Just a suggestion... since most of your trip is in Canada, you should adjust the average gas price to be more like $5 per gallon. Or even $5.50, since you'll be getting gas in a lot of more remote, and therefore expensive, spots. So your 50mpg gas cost goes up to more like $400-$440, not $280.

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Old 02-02-2013, 10:08 AM   #4
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Weather App which should give us a way better idea of what the weather conditions are or have been in years past.
http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;ws=29941
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:09 AM   #6
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They always say..start with the end in mind. With that, here's the track that leads to the holy grail (AKA the end of the Trans Taiga)

The Trans Taiga Section


Not too much too many ways to slice this one...so track is probably 99% done for this section. We'll come enter from the east via dirt. And depart via tarmac on the south



The outbound route

So, the only requirements for this leg are:
  • Must depart MD
  • “Kancamaugus Highway”, RT-118 Warren NH to RT-112 North Woodstock,NH combined with RT-16 from Conway, NH to Berlin, NH to include Mt Washington Road* http://www.motorcycleroads.com/Route...shire_105.html
  • Must ride Mt. Washington
  • Must end in Forestville, Quebec at the start of the dirt



Forestville & Let the Dirt Begin Track
This one is entirely dirt and will need work before departure. For one, not sure how long it will take to do it. For two, not sure which track (grey or red) will be want to do. Right now, the grey has the most intel is the preferred route.

Some tracks from travelgravel.ca and big thanks to Rhino for the RidVenture track!



Homeward Bound
The homeward bound the pink line is tarmac, and the I've found a few other dirt tracks. Although, there are quite a few hazard markers, and not much time!
So, the only requirements for this leg are:
  • Must depart Radisson
  • Must enter US via Niagara Falls


The last leg
So, the only requirements for this leg are:
  • Must depart Niagara Falls
  • Must end in Maryland



This track will need a lot of modifying, and likely will get clipped to "fastest" route home. By mileage, there isn't a ton of to cover...but I think we'll be chewing some serious time on the dirt
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:10 AM   #7
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:34 AM   #8
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THink you missed some thing here - why go through Forestville to Baie Comeau and then come back to head to the dirt? There is an Econo-Lodge in Forestville
Some other calculations of mine
Day 9 385 miles (extra gas required)
Day 11 I think closer to 200 miles

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This is the (very rough) throw at the dart board. Many issues yet to be worked, and are highlighted by either yellow or blanks

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Old 02-02-2013, 10:13 AM   #9
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Climate data for La Grande Riviere Airport
MonthJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecYear
Record high C (F)1.4
(34.5)
5.0
(41)
11.3
(52.3)
22.3
(72.1)
32.6
(90.7)
35.0
(95)
32.3
(90.1)
31.2
(88.2)
26.8
(80.2)
23.5
(74.3)
12.3
(54.1)
12.5
(54.5)
35.0
(95)
Average high C (F)−18.3
(−0.9)
−15.8
(3.6)
−8.2
(17.2)
0.7
(33.3)
10.3
(50.5)
17.1
(62.8)
20.0
(68)
18.4
(65.1)
11.6
(52.9)
4.4
(39.9)
−3.3
(26.1)
−13.0
(8.6)
2.0
(35.6)
Daily mean C (F)−23.2
(−9.8)
−21.6
(−6.9)
−14.6
(5.7)
−4.9
(23.2)
4.3
(39.7)
10.5
(50.9)
13.7
(56.7)
12.9
(55.2)
7.4
(45.3)
1.2
(34.2)
−6.3
(20.7)
−17.1
(1.2)
−3.1
(26.4)
Average low C (F)−28.0
(−18.4)
−27.4
(−17.3)
−20.9
(−5.6)
−10.5
(13.1)
−1.6
(29.1)
3.9
(39)
7.4
(45.3)
7.4
(45.3)
3.1
(37.6)
−2.0
(28.4)
−9.4
(15.1)
−21.2
(−6.2)
−8.3
(17.1)
Record low C (F)−40.9
(−41.6)
−44.6
(−48.3)
−38.5
(−37.3)
−31.4
(−24.5)
−13.5
(7.7)
−6.6
(20.1)
−0.9
(30.4)
−0.5
(31.1)
−7.0
(19.4)
−16.7
(1.9)
−29.2
(−20.6)
−40.3
(−40.5)
−44.6
(−48.3)
Precipitation mm (inches)31.8
(1.252)
21.8
(0.858)
29.3
(1.154)
31.5
(1.24)
40.3
(1.587)
64.8
(2.551)
79.5
(3.13)
85.2
(3.354)
106.9
(4.209)
86.5
(3.406)
66.3
(2.61)
40.1
(1.579)
683.9
(26.925)
Rainfall mm (inches)0.1
(0.004)
1.2
(0.047)
3.0
(0.118)
11.5
(0.453)
30.2
(1.189)
62.3
(2.453)
79.5
(3.13)
85.1
(3.35)
100.8
(3.969)
52.5
(2.067)
10.2
(0.402)
1.2
(0.047)
437.4
(17.22)
Snowfall cm (inches)34.2
(13.46)
23.3
(9.17)
29.5
(11.61)
20.9
(8.23)
11.1
(4.37)
2.5
(0.98)
0
(0)
0.1
(0.04)
6.4
(2.52)
35.5
(13.98)
60.8
(23.94)
42.5
(16.73)
266.7
(105)
Avg. precipitation days (≥ 0.2 mm)15.812.311.510.311.912.414.516.519.420.921.718.8186
Avg. rainy days (≥ 0.2 mm)0.350.521.13.88.211.614.316.618.412.03.90.7691.53
Avg. snowy days (≥ 0.2 cm)15.912.211.18.25.11.600.052.513.120.118.7108.55
Mean monthly sunshine hours731121652012242492451931076637371,709

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The James Bay region, also known as Jamsie, is a 350,000 km2 (135,136 sq mi) territory, bordered by the 49th and 55th parallels, James Bay on the western side and by the drainage divide with the Saint Lawrence River basin on the eastern side.[3] The topography of the area consist of generally low relief areas and includes three parts: a 150 km (93 mi) coastal plain, a rolling plateau with a maximum elevation of 400 m (1,300 ft)[3] and the Otish Mountains to the east of the territory, with peaks reaching 900 to 1,100 m (3,000 to 3,600 ft).[4]

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If you are looking for something different that saves the in and out on the TT, I suggest flying the bike out on a float plane from the end of the TT to LabCity and make a loop out of it, especially if you haven't road the Trans Lab yet.

If you need other routes besides James Bay Road there is the established North Road route and then some other newer routes to the newest hydro projects that should be open to the public by now. I would do some checking with Quebec Hydro and just see how much of the new stuff is open instead of just running up and down on the JBR.

Take a tour of the facility at Radisson and a helicopter flight if you really want to see the size of the place. Major Hydro
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If you are looking for something different that saves the in and out on the TT, I suggest flying the bike out on a float plane from the end of the TT to LabCity and make a loop out of it, especially if you haven't road the Trans Lab yet.
We've done the Trans Lab in 2011, but do you have contact info or cost for the plane? I love options!

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I would do some checking with Quebec Hydro and just see how much of the new stuff is open instead of just running up and down on the JBR.
No chance they are digital/on-line maps, or do you have to order them from somewhere?
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We've done the Trans Lab in 2011, but do you have contact info or cost for the plane? I love options!
No idea on cost as I didn't fly out, just really like the idea. The big operator in the area is http://www.airsaguenay.com/



No chance they are digital/on-line maps, or do you have to order them from somewhere?
Don't know, check Quebec Hydro.com maybe...
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:46 AM   #13
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And since we had the kickoff meeting last week, here's where the conversation is currently:


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Day 1 MD to Warren NH (overnight) 518 miles
Day 2 Warren to Tadoussac (overnight) via Mt Washington 518 miles
Day 3 Tadoussac to Auberge31 (overnight) via Forestville, Rte 385, and Labrieville 240 miles

another possibility would also be to go via Rimouski and take the ferry to Forestville.

I don't know about day two. Seems like schedule will go way long?

-- It probably takes 2 hrs do Mt Washington (30 mins up, 30 mins down, and 45 mins to walk around up there and 15 mins to saddle up)

--I like to go for the full cavity search at the border it seems, so I probably need 30 mins to cross

--The ferry had a line last we did it, it was 15 mins to cross, but it took us 2 or 3 rotations to get loaded. (15min -1 hr delay)

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Old 02-02-2013, 11:58 AM   #14
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Added a bit more data to the first few posts....keep checking the first posts for new information since that is where I keep the important stuff and the rest is just working the details.
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