Enduralast from Euro Motoelectrics

BlackHoof · 09-15-2005, 08:48 AM

Has anyone purchased, installed, upgraded their airhead charging system
using the products sold by Euro Motoelectrics? I'm curious as to how it
compares with Motorrad Electriks Omega unit. Thanks.

bcostell · 09-15-2005, 10:03 AM

The system is not yet available.....in about a week the complete system is supposed to be available....they had some problems with delivery of one or two parts. I have a number of systems on order, so I'm also keen to see how the system performs!

rockt · 09-16-2005, 11:55 AM

Looks pretty promising in their ad:

http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/enduralast.html

I hate always keeping the revs up to make sure "I'm charging". Plus when I use my heated vest I'm always cycling it on and off 'cause I'm worried about not having enough juice. This thing looks like it might spell the end to charging system capacity concerns. It also looks simple and pretty heavy-duty. Cheaper and possibly better than the Omega.

bcostell · 09-16-2005, 07:12 PM

Well, my kits arrived. The build quality looks very good. The stator is a ducati modified item, the voltage regulator/rectifier is a standard Guzzi item. There are some nice milled clamps to hold the windings to the engine block. That's the good news. The not so good news is it'll take a lot more work (and time) to install compared to the Omega. Hopefully the kit will be developed (soon) to make it a simpler install.

BlackHoof · 09-17-2005, 07:57 AM

So bro,

Will you share your installation with some pics & descriptive narrative?
I'm interested in how this set-up goes for you. There are aspects of
the Omega that I'm not excited about & I think that myself & others
would appreciate your efforts to school us. TIA

bcostell · 09-17-2005, 05:59 PM

Well, I've fitted the first unit. The final result is quite neat - not my installation, but the simplification. The timing chest is now half empty. There are a lot less wires floating around inside the cover. The other major bonus is no brushes to think about. The quality of the parts looks to be very good.

The challenge with the installation is that because it's new it hasn't been customized for each bike. At the moment you get all of the parts and you have a bunch of wiring to do yourself. I know that this is going to get refined as we give feedback and install notes to John at euromotoelectrics. Things I had to do for example - shorten the screws that mount the field windings, get a few connectors, fiddle with the wiring (both the main bike loom and some of the removed items which are re-used). Over time I'm sure that this will all be taken care of by the supplier, but at the moment they have to send out a bunch of parts and have the buyer customize the fitting.

The early customers will also need to figure out a suitable mounting location for the combination regulator/rectifier unit. I mounted mine upside down on the relay plate (it's an 89 GS, with a 92 wiring loom!). I moved the relays to the front of the plate. I needed to drill a couple of holes, add a couple of spacer washer at the rear and clean off some paint for a good earth. In this location it should get good air circulation.

I've sent a bunch of suggestions to John about bike specific changes to his instructions. His notes at the moment as slightly confusing, but there are some good wiring diagrams which help clarify things.

Here's a link with some photo's

http://bcostell.smugmug.com/gallery/847163/1/38050969

L1gunman · 10-11-2005, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcostell

the voltage regulator/rectifier is a standard Guzzi item.

I think theres a Bosch automotive equivalent to that for somewhere around 25% of the price. I'll see if i can find out...

bcostell · 10-11-2005, 10:29 AM

I'm sure the reg/rect items can be had elsewhere, but I'm not sure what good it would do you, unless you wanted to replace the stock BMW items with a single more modern alternative.

You could probably source the field windings and maybe also the rotor, but then you'd have to machine the rotor to fit the BMW shaft/seal. You would also have to manufacture the mounting frame for the windings to attach to the engine.

Overall I think the system is very reasonably priced (expect the price to go up in the not too distant future), when you consider the cost of components, machining and development.

The only area of potential weekness I can see with the system (like other higher wattage upgrades) is the additional weight of the rotor vs stock. I'll try to weigh all three (Stock/400/450) and post the info. But I think experience has shown that the weight increase hasn't been a problem for the front bearing.

johnrayski · 10-11-2005, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L1gunman

I think theres a Bosch automotive equivalent to that for somewhere around 25% of the price. I'll see if i can find out...

I used to work for Bosch USA; there is no equivalent from Bosch utilizing thyristors for rectification. This unit in manufactured by the original equipment supplier DUCATI ENERGIA and sells for considerably more thru dealership networks than the $129.00 replacement cost.

khale · 12-29-2012, 10:00 PM

Couldn't be more pleased with my Enduralast kit. Of course I've only had it installed for a few months. I'll write back on this thread in a few years with a different tune if it craps out on me.

09-15-2005, 08:48 AM	#1
BlackHoof ^OP REMF Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Upper USA, Mn. eh Oddometer: 244	Enduralast from Euro Motoelectrics Has anyone purchased, installed, upgraded their airhead charging system using the products sold by Euro Motoelectrics? I'm curious as to how it compares with Motorrad Electriks Omega unit. Thanks.

09-17-2005, 07:57 AM	#5
BlackHoof ^OP REMF Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Upper USA, Mn. eh Oddometer: 244	Show & Tell bcostel? So bro, Will you share your installation with some pics & descriptive narrative? I'm interested in how this set-up goes for you. There are aspects of the Omega that I'm not excited about & I think that myself & others would appreciate your efforts to school us. TIA

09-17-2005, 05:59 PM	#6
bcostell Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2005 Location: San Fran Bay Area Oddometer: 173	Well, I've fitted the first unit. The final result is quite neat - not my installation, but the simplification. The timing chest is now half empty. There are a lot less wires floating around inside the cover. The other major bonus is no brushes to think about. The quality of the parts looks to be very good. The challenge with the installation is that because it's new it hasn't been customized for each bike. At the moment you get all of the parts and you have a bunch of wiring to do yourself. I know that this is going to get refined as we give feedback and install notes to John at euromotoelectrics. Things I had to do for example - shorten the screws that mount the field windings, get a few connectors, fiddle with the wiring (both the main bike loom and some of the removed items which are re-used). Over time I'm sure that this will all be taken care of by the supplier, but at the moment they have to send out a bunch of parts and have the buyer customize the fitting. The early customers will also need to figure out a suitable mounting location for the combination regulator/rectifier unit. I mounted mine upside down on the relay plate (it's an 89 GS, with a 92 wiring loom!). I moved the relays to the front of the plate. I needed to drill a couple of holes, add a couple of spacer washer at the rear and clean off some paint for a good earth. In this location it should get good air circulation. I've sent a bunch of suggestions to John about bike specific changes to his instructions. His notes at the moment as slightly confusing, but there are some good wiring diagrams which help clarify things. Here's a link with some photo's http://bcostell.smugmug.com/gallery/847163/1/38050969 bcostell screwed with this post 09-06-2007 at 06:26 PM

12-29-2012, 10:00 PM	#10
khale ride dirty Joined: Oct 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Oddometer: 419	Couldn't be more pleased with my Enduralast kit. Of course I've only had it installed for a few months. I'll write back on this thread in a few years with a different tune if it craps out on me. __________________ 2013 BMW R1200 GSW \| 1973 BMW r75/5 toaster \| 2011 Husky TE310 "4 wheels move the body, 2 wheels move the soul"

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09-15-2005, 10:03 AM	#2
bcostell Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2005 Location: San Fran Bay Area Oddometer: 173	The system is not yet available.....in about a week the complete system is supposed to be available....they had some problems with delivery of one or two parts. I have a number of systems on order, so I'm also keen to see how the system performs!

09-16-2005, 11:55 AM	#3
rockt Beastly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2003 Location: Canada Oddometer: 1,139	Looks pretty promising in their ad: http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/enduralast.html I hate always keeping the revs up to make sure "I'm charging". Plus when I use my heated vest I'm always cycling it on and off 'cause I'm worried about not having enough juice. This thing looks like it might spell the end to charging system capacity concerns. It also looks simple and pretty heavy-duty. Cheaper and possibly better than the Omega.

09-16-2005, 07:12 PM	#4
bcostell Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2005 Location: San Fran Bay Area Oddometer: 173	Well, my kits arrived. The build quality looks very good. The stator is a ducati modified item, the voltage regulator/rectifier is a standard Guzzi item. There are some nice milled clamps to hold the windings to the engine block. That's the good news. The not so good news is it'll take a lot more work (and time) to install compared to the Omega. Hopefully the kit will be developed (soon) to make it a simpler install.

10-11-2005, 10:29 AM	#8
bcostell Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2005 Location: San Fran Bay Area Oddometer: 173	I'm sure the reg/rect items can be had elsewhere, but I'm not sure what good it would do you, unless you wanted to replace the stock BMW items with a single more modern alternative. You could probably source the field windings and maybe also the rotor, but then you'd have to machine the rotor to fit the BMW shaft/seal. You would also have to manufacture the mounting frame for the windings to attach to the engine. Overall I think the system is very reasonably priced (expect the price to go up in the not too distant future), when you consider the cost of components, machining and development. The only area of potential weekness I can see with the system (like other higher wattage upgrades) is the additional weight of the rotor vs stock. I'll try to weigh all three (Stock/400/450) and post the info. But I think experience has shown that the weight increase hasn't been a problem for the front bearing.