|12-28-2009, 06:41 AM||#1|
Joined: Dec 2008
Hey Gang! I'm looking for a replacement for my 65+ mph '05 Super9. I really liked it a lot, but some old guy decided to crush it for me, so I'm looking for a new ride. I need liquid cooling, disc brakes and 12" or larger wheels. Would like to stay 50cc for simplicity's sake. Any suggestions appreciated!
|12-29-2009, 01:07 AM||#2|
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: soon to be sask Canada!!
Hi there mate i have a pug speed fight 50cc liquid cooled and it fly's i'm about 14-15 stone and still hit 55-60 on a reg basis it has had a hell of a lot of work done to it tho :) this scooter will be taking me to portugal and back in june july time.
the engine constist of 70 kit 360 degree crank race carb race clutch and a lot of porting and polishing and a nice exhaust.
ps i'm nearly 30 and still love this thing!!
getting ready to explore a new world!
|12-29-2009, 11:26 AM||#3|
Joined: Mar 2007
wow- if you have a 50cc scooter that will do an honest 65 mph on a regular basis I think the answer is to replace it with exactly what you had. Was it modded? If so can't you use the parts off the wrecked one to fix up another one?
I've got a Vespa P200E, and haven't seen 65 MPH (using a GPS) the stock speedo is way off.....
1980 Vespa P200E
2006 BMW R1200GS
2012 SYM HD200 Evo
|01-04-2010, 03:24 AM||#4|
Joined: Apr 2006
It probably was 50cc at some point, but no standard 50cc will do even
over 50mph (GPS), and just a few will do even that.
However, a very simple 70cc kit available for $150+ will usually result
in 60mph without touching anything else. Replace the exhaust.. you got
65mph+, depending on the kit and the scooter.
I see the Speedfight has already been mentioned, but if the original poster
is from the US like most people here, he won't find it there.
Mine, which is completely stock, will do 50mph indicated, and I've seen
44mph on the GPS. These things are around 5 hp stock. Previous owner
had a Leovince ZX exhaust on it, it would do 55+ indicated, but I didn't
want the extra noise (we got a law here restricting mopeds (under 50cc)
Having worked at a scooter shop for 2 years I've had my share of test
rides and if you're looking for a fast 50cc 2 stroke, and want to keep it
as stock as possible, Italian is the way to go.
Gilera Runner, Piaggio NRG, Derbi GP1 all share the ~6hp Piaggio LC
engine and will do "real" 50mph stock when derestricted, all of these
have better suspension and brakes then a Ninja 250 and such bikes
Same goes for Yamaha's Aerox and Peugeot's Jetforce C-TECH.
Both of them 6hp, 50mph, and both are manufacturer's top of the line
Only problem is.. for the price of a new Gilera Runner or an Aerox here,
you can get 2 Kymo Agility 125s that are faster, don't need oil every now
and then, and will return better MPG numbers. Sure, the little Agility
won't handle as good or have sporty brakes.. but..
With a 2 stroke 50 (70cc) that'll do over 60mph, you're looking at 50MPG
and worse. All of them stock will be 60MPG or just a bit better.
My Speedfight2 LC 50 averages 67MPG, and that's VERY close to my
650cc bike with over 10 times the power and double the weight
I guess you just gotta love the 2 stroke stuff to mess around with it,
and I'm not the type.
|01-04-2010, 07:26 AM||#5|
Down & Dirty Mechanic
Joined: May 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA
Most 50cc scooters in the states are air cooled, since the liquid cooled bikes never sold very well...too expensive.
If you in the states, your choices are:
Kymco Super 9 - Make sure it's a liquid cooled and not the later air cooled.
Aprilia Sr50 - We only got liquid cooled. DiTech from 2002.
Short of that, you might get lucky and find a nicely used Italjet Formula or Dragster, or possibly a Derbi Gp1. Again, make sure they have the liquid cooled engine and not the air cooled model. Italjets have brittle plastics, so most of them ended up parted out.
Sorry to hear about the Super 9. Happy hunting!
|01-04-2010, 07:34 AM||#6|
Joined: Apr 2006
suggestion. All of the top of the line italian scoots would be a step up
from the Kymco he had in terms of brakes and suspension.
However, I would stay away from direct-injection models like the
SR50 ditech (NRG was called 'purejet', jetforce was 'tsdi' etc) as
they're very sensitive to fuel quality and tend to clog up which usually
results in a seized engine. I've seen more then a few of those around
here! ALSO, you can't tune them, they won't go faster with a sports
exhaust, and you can't use the aftermarket 70cc kits on them.
In stock form, they're usually slower then their carbed brothers/sisters.
Italjet's have a very bad rep in EU, and are virtually non-existent on
the roads around here (and I'm a stone-throw away from Italy).
They break down easily and parts are hard to find.
Derbi GP1 is a great idea tho, probably the most race-oriented of them all;
the supersport of 50cc scoots. I prefer the Runner's seat for my lard ass, and
it's just as fast ;)
She's a beaut! But costs an arm and a leg..
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